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To: thoughtomator
Very close examination of the "genes" Israeli Jews, Israeli Arabs, and Palestinian Arabs hold in common as "markers" strongly suggest they are all the very same people, and different from those around them.

You have to travel all the way to Kurdistan to find others like them.

So, yes, odds are there are Palestinians around who can say the place was always "theirs" because, after all, they are the same folks.

This really shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

Frankly it's about as surprising as discovering the 3,000 year old folk-legends to the effect that the Basque people in Spain and the Irish people in Ireland are true ~ in short, not surprising at all!

Still, given the age of the site, it's entirely possible that the individuals who lived there in that house did not yet end up as universal ancestors to all mankind, but that will, ultimately, happen.

14 posted on 06/06/2005 3:07:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: muawiyah
"Very close examination of the "genes" Israeli Jews, Israeli Arabs, and Palestinian Arabs hold in common as "markers" strongly suggest they are all the very same people, and different from those around them."

That's not true. Genetic studies confirm that populations from the Middle East, including Jewish people, are related, just as one would expect to find in any geographical region, but not identical or "all the very same people".

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11852202&dopt=Abstract

The Biblical account of the history of the Jewish people in the Middle East has extremely strong support in the genetic code. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeas, which is modern Kurdish country, and the Jewish people are more closely related to the Kurds than to the Arabs.

However, all Middle Eastern populations share a common genetic ancestor if you go back far enough, just as all human beings share a common genetic ancestor.
23 posted on 06/06/2005 5:47:25 PM PDT by stradivarius ("If a donkey brays at you, don't bray at him." - George Herbert)
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To: muawiyah

"Very close examination of the "genes" Israeli Jews, Israeli Arabs, and Palestinian Arabs hold in common as "markers" strongly suggest they are all the very same people, and different from those around them."

You are mistaken. Genetic markers (the Priesthood gene) show that Jews from all over the world, Eastern and Western are related. But I know of no study that has shown that Jews and Arabs have genetic markers in common. Most studies show that Jews have remained relatively genetically isolated from non-Jews.

http://www.cohen-levi.org/the_tribe/kohanim_forever.htm


33 posted on 06/06/2005 7:39:36 PM PDT by dervish
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To: muawiyah; Yehuda; stradivarius; Alouette

"I once covered a speech by the late Edward Said at UC-Berkeley in which he claimed the ancient people of the Bible who predated the Jews were in fact today’s “Palestinians.” In other words, the Jewish claims to any part of the land of Israel based on the Bible or nationalism should be rejected: the Palestinians were there first. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1419428/posts

So is Edward Said the source of your information because you have cited no sources for your contention that:

“So, yes, odds are there are Palestinians around who can say the place was always "theirs" because, after all, they are the same folks.”


82 posted on 06/09/2005 8:06:20 AM PDT by dervish
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