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To: quidnunc

Did anyone seriously expect Citizen Kane? It's a sci-fi epic, not some la-de-da production of a Chekov play designed to provoke beard-scratching discussion about its deeper message. Some people have just got to get over themselves and realize that not everything has to be subjected to intensive analysis. Just enjoy it or don't as the case may be.


5 posted on 06/06/2005 11:42:18 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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I didnt expect Citizen Kane, but I expected the actors to speak their lines with some emotion. It appeared as though a "run through" had been printed and edited in by mistake. S.L Jackson was especially bad. Jimmy Smits was there, why?

There were a few places where my wife and I laughed out loud to the point where I think we annoyed those around us.

And, at the end, they are stading in front of the "death star" that was just about at the construction point as it was at the begining of the original star wars. The only problem was that the kids still had about 17 years to grow. Was this Death star being built by union labor?


14 posted on 06/06/2005 11:50:49 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: John Jorsett
John Jorsett wrote: Did anyone seriously expect Citizen Kane? It's a sci-fi epic, not some la-de-da production of a Chekov play designed to provoke beard-scratching discussion about its deeper message. Some people have just got to get over themselves and realize that not everything has to be subjected to intensive analysis. Just enjoy it or don't as the case may be.

You would be correct if the movie was made purely for its entertainment value.

But when Lucas injected politics into it, it became fair game for criticism at all levels.

16 posted on 06/06/2005 11:52:36 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: John Jorsett
"Did anyone seriously expect Citizen Kane? It's a sci-fi epic, not some la-de-da production of a Chekov play designed to provoke beard-scratching discussion about its deeper message. Some people have just got to get over themselves and realize that not everything has to be subjected to intensive analysis. Just enjoy it or don't as the case may be."

I went yesterday and truly tried not to judge it politically but it's so obvious you can't help but do so. Actually I think Lucas seriously expected Citizen Kane. Besides that, the acting was horrible. Aniken looked like a little boy who was just punished for having a hissy fit and the lines of humor throughout the movie were past being just cheesy. The dumbest line of the whole move was when Obi Wan asked Padme if Aniken was the father... Well duh. Quite honestly the Jedi had to have been the dumbest fools ever almost the universe. It was very sad to me to see the series end this way and I think it's sad that Lucas seems to have become senile at such a young age.
20 posted on 06/06/2005 11:55:15 AM PDT by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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To: John Jorsett

"Some people have just got to get over themselves and realize that not everything has to be subjected to intensive analysis."


I could not agree more. I go to the movies to get away from everyday life, thinking about life in general...it is time to escape reality for a couple of hours. If I have to deconstruct a movie, think about a deeper meaning, debate over this idea or that, what the hell am I escaping from?

I don't want to think about a movie....I want to be entertained. I get enough deep analysis, at work, to last a life time....I don't want it while I'm munching popcorn.


24 posted on 06/06/2005 11:58:14 AM PDT by MissouriConservative (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.)
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No, I don't think anyone was expecting a thought-invoking cerebal achievement such as "2001 A Space Odyssey."

Yet for those of us that grew up with the first trilogy saw a entertainment standard that we expected to be sustained and even improved upon with the prequel trilogy.

And that didn't happen.

Instead, in this prequel trilogy, we got a god-awful lot of emotionally-soggy "Dawson's-Creek" nonsense, not to mention the fingernails-on-the-chalkboard JarJar.

Lucas, along with Spielberg, and a host of other directors have suddenly discovered their "duty" to enlighten us unwashed masses on certain political issues.

Well, guess what. Us "unwashed masses" can think for ourselves, so we're not gonna swallow the empty-headed pablum serving up as entertainment. Look back to the first trilogy; the subtle similarities to the Soviet Union were subject to debate, yet the Russian government often made silly statements about how "Empire Strikes Back" bashed the Soviets. Yeah, right.

Fast-forward 15 years. Now, we have an empire that presumably resembles the George-Bush/Republican America. So, which is it, George Lucas? Make up your liberal mind.

Personally, I don't care if there are subtle political statements here and there in a movie as long as the movie is well-made and entertaining. But when directors such as Lucas and Spielberg put out political editorials in movies with great eye-candy & crappy storylines, why waste my $9?

38 posted on 06/06/2005 12:13:51 PM PDT by kromike
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To: John Jorsett
Did anyone seriously expect Citizen Kane?

The most damning thing about is, apparently Mr. Lucas did.

64 posted on 06/06/2005 12:29:52 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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I loved the movie. Years ago I stood in line for hours with my children to watch the original SW. My youngest son (now age 29) went with me to see Episode 3 because Mr. TMG didn't want to go. We both thought it was great.


104 posted on 06/06/2005 1:41:44 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers
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