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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I would define rights different than you. I don't think there are such thing as "rights". That's just a word that Jefferson used. I think there are choices and consequences... both good and bad. And I think God gave us the ability to chose anything. (God given right as Jefferson would word it) Our government through the will of the people, and sometimes against the will of the people attaches consequences to some of those choices that we won't like.


316 posted on 06/06/2005 9:31:21 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
I would define rights different than you. I don't think there are such thing as "rights". That's just a word that Jefferson used. I think there are choices and consequences... both good and bad. And I think God gave us the ability to chose anything. (God given right as Jefferson would word it) Our government through the will of the people, and sometimes against the will of the people attaches consequences to some of those choices that we won't like.

You don't believe in rights?

You believe that that the government can regulate any avenue of life it chooses?

That scares me.

319 posted on 06/06/2005 9:32:54 AM PDT by highball
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To: kjam22
I don't think there are such thing as "rights". That's just a word that Jefferson used.

There's no point in continuing our discussion, then. Best to you.

322 posted on 06/06/2005 9:35:14 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: kjam22

I'll admit that "endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights" stuff sounds good. But, I don't find it in the Bible. Our sovereign God both endows and repeals "rights" when He works through the governments He puts in place.


327 posted on 06/06/2005 9:38:05 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: kjam22
I don't think there are such thing as "rights". That's just a word that Jefferson used.

Therein lies the crux of the problem. The Constitution is full of words like "rights", put there by men like Jefferson. When they put them there, they meant very specific things to them. The question is wheather we have any obligation to respect and adhere to that meaning or wheather we can simply discard it and substitute our own for the sake of convenience. Do we render unto Ceasar, or blow him off?

329 posted on 06/06/2005 9:39:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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