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Expert tells doctors: let youngest premature babies die
Times of London ^ | 6/5/05 | Sarah-Kate Templeton

Posted on 06/05/2005 2:29:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

Yes it is disgusting. My aunt delivered a premature baby, named Amy, many years ago. They left her by an open window to die. This type of behavior has been going on for years.

I just can't wait to read the replies to this thread : (


81 posted on 06/05/2005 8:22:10 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Why Morality Matters

82 posted on 06/05/2005 8:29:26 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: wagglebee
BRITAIN’S top medical ethics expert has urged doctors to let the most premature babies die, with treatment offered only in exceptional cases.

Repeat after me: "Nationalized health care is good for patients. Everyone gets the best care". (Unless you happen to be a premature baby, in which case your life gets rationed away).
83 posted on 06/05/2005 8:31:28 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: wagglebee
while 34% had milder problems such as a squint.

It sure is disgusting! Are they kidding? A squint? Meanwhile in a room nearby they are killing babies at 25-40 weeks at the the request of the parent. Refusing to save preemies. Wow. Hospitals, at least in Europe, are a dangerous place for babies! As a 32 wk preemie 'with a squint', I'm sure glad they decided I was worth it. So does my friend, mother of 2 28 wk babies and also my former college roomie, survived at 6.5 mos, no small feat a 35+ yrs ago. And my neighbor's daughter, now 8, born at 26 wks, her twin didn't survive, but her parents are sure happy to have a healthy, happy, nearsighted daughter!

84 posted on 06/05/2005 8:40:49 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: wagglebee

Prof Singer from a New Jersey university doesn't think so.

He advocates the killing of babies too.

It's sick and getting sicker with each passing day.


85 posted on 06/05/2005 8:48:15 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
"Then they'll turn on the elderly and say that anyone who's lived beyond age 85 should have food and water withheld, even if the person is of sound mind."

You are wrong. It will not be "anyone" who they will turn on. Do you think that will apply to liberal politicians, the intelligentsia, or celebrities?

No my friends this is about the common people taking the bullet for the rest of society... particularly the elite. Just think about it, someday you may die so that Chelsie Clinton or Tom Cruz does not have to deprive the world of their talents.

Do you doubt this is all about the common people dieing so the elite can live longer or without sacrificing their lifestyle?
86 posted on 06/05/2005 8:56:35 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: wagglebee

GD Right, my friend. My Oldest Daughter was born at 27 weeks, a mere 1 pound 12 ounces, this proposal would not harm her from being resuciated, but I have seen the miracle of life in action with her. I am convinced that all babies no matter what their (Fetal) age should be revived and rehabilitated. I saw an episode of ER where they said they couldn't do anything for a 24 week old and let it die, That's BS. Doctor's should be willing to help any human life, no matter what, and devote ALL OF THEIR RESOURCES TO PRESERVING IT.


87 posted on 06/05/2005 10:02:43 PM PDT by lmr (Thanks to tet68, this tagline has been updated)
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To: wagglebee
with treatment offered only in exceptional cases. Money always makes exceptions.
88 posted on 06/05/2005 10:33:45 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: wagglebee
Sick Sick *B@5TARD5*.....

For those of us who were called nuts for saying abortion cheapened the value of a baby we are vindicated, but I would rather we were not right on this one...

A study of the most premature babies showed most went on to suffer disabilities. The EPICure study of babies born at 25 weeks or less, led by researchers at Nottingham University, found that, by the age of six, only 20% of surviving children had no disabilities; 22% had severe disabilities, including cerebral palsy; while 34% had milder problems such as a squint.

So to get this straight 54% (More than half) of kids born before 24 weeks (and survive) babies have little to know disability (if they are counting squint, they might as well put dandruff in there)...

In addition, it found that only 11% of all babies born at 23 weeks survived. Since the study began, however, care has improved and the figure is believed to be closer to 20%.

I think if any medical procedure only has an 11% survival rate we should outlaw it right? how stupid is that?

89 posted on 06/06/2005 5:48:13 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: DoughtyOne
You dont thik its mere chance that they are settnig the limit at the end of the second trimester do you? There are two factors I am wondering about...

1) With survivability going lower and lower many people who are on the fence when it comes to abortion will start to see limits as morally required. Libs must be thinking why not just set it so those limits cant go below the second trimester through a law that has 'nothing to do with abortion'

2) Abortions where the baby survives may be happening more often than we hear about! this law would protect abortion doctors from ever having to even think about recitation no matter what abortion law becomes...

90 posted on 06/06/2005 5:52:44 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: chimera
My son was born at 7 months gestation and I can tell you this: I'd have killed anyone who would have denied him a chance at life.

I just had my daughter on mothers day and I know how you feel, the doctors who stand aside and let a baby die might as well be giving it a lethal injection..

91 posted on 06/06/2005 5:55:26 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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92 posted on 06/06/2005 6:05:24 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: wagglebee
Expert tells doctors: let youngest premature babies die

BRITAIN’S top medical ethics expert has urged doctors to let the most premature babies die, with treatment offered only in exceptional cases.

Baroness Warnock believes Britain should follow Holland in setting an age limit below which babies would not routinely be resuscitated.

And what makes her an expert? Her extraordinary enthusiasm for death and the efficient use of tax dollars? Calling her an expert on medical ethics is like calling Gary Coleman the next NBA MVP.

93 posted on 06/06/2005 6:11:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: mlmr
I am afraid I dont think this is disgusting. Survive is a long shot from livning.

Put aside for a moment the chances that babies will be handicaped, etc (and see post 11 for astory about that)...are you in favor of the State deciding who lives and dies, and when they die? I'm not.

94 posted on 06/06/2005 6:15:22 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: wagglebee

So he would have the unlucky ones born too young get knifed in the head during birth.


95 posted on 06/06/2005 6:18:27 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: wagglebee; mlmr
Read what I wrote in #11, and keep in mind that in 1970, 28 weeks was probably more critical than 23 weeks is today.

It definitely was more critical.

BTW, mlmr, another thought: If we give the State, or the medical types, the authority to decide these kids aren't worth the investment, why shouldn't they just make the same decision about a kid who comes out at full term with spina bifida or cerebral palsy? Nice quick lethal injection, no muss, no fuss, no therapy and medical care costs...

96 posted on 06/06/2005 6:19:59 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: mlmr
I am afraid I dont think this is disgusting. Survive is a long shot from livning.

Be very careful about walking down that road of deciding for other human beings whether or not their life is worth living. Some day you may be in a situation where someone else may decide your life is no longer worth living.

97 posted on 06/06/2005 6:23:35 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: DameAutour
So of those that survive, most of them either have no disability or have something mild like a "squint". And for this, they must die?

I don't remember where I saw the stat, but in an astonishing number of the partial-birth abortions that are performed because the child is deformed, the horrible deformity is a cleft palate.

I can't imagine wanting the child less because of the cleft palate, but there are people who'll kill a kid over one and in a particularly torturous way.

98 posted on 06/06/2005 6:24:25 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Eureka! I just found the gene that causes people to believe in genetic determinism!")
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To: wagglebee
This is disgusting!

I agree:

In Holland, doctors do not routinely administer intensive care to babies born before 25 weeks of pregnancy.

Healthy adults will always be able to outvote the voiceless unborn. This brand of 'humanistic ethics' takes morality right down to the level of animal husbandry. Lovely.

99 posted on 06/06/2005 6:33:37 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A socialist is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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To: wagglebee

Some things defy words. evil. pure evil.


100 posted on 06/06/2005 6:39:01 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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