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Schröder and Chirac ponder years of decline
Telegraph ^ | 06/03/05 | David Rennie in Brussels

Posted on 06/04/2005 4:16:58 PM PDT by Pikamax

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1 posted on 06/04/2005 4:16:58 PM PDT by Pikamax
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"distinct stench of mortality in the air"

He's being kind. I'd imagine that to their enemies it smells like something else.


2 posted on 06/04/2005 4:18:50 PM PDT by happyathome
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To: Pikamax

The labor system in Old Europe will change. It is only a matter of when. It just doesn't pencil.


3 posted on 06/04/2005 4:20:46 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Pikamax

We'll soon get to see if the following holds true.

"Planning on an international scale, even more than is true on a national scale, cannot be anything but a naked rule of force, an imposition by a small group on all the rest of that sort of standard and employment which the planners think suitable for the rest."

Frederic Hayek, "The Road to Serfdom", 1944


4 posted on 06/04/2005 4:22:56 PM PDT by n230099
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To: Pikamax

Is a Fr*nchman ever in anything except decline?


5 posted on 06/04/2005 4:24:21 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: happyathome

Kerry made these leaders the be all end all to cure all our problems.

Kerry said he was going to get these leaders to put troops into Iraq.


6 posted on 06/04/2005 4:24:36 PM PDT by johnmecainrino (With rino's like these who needs enemies)
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To: Pikamax

I would like to thank the people of Germany for giving us the word "schadenfreude." And then for giving us so much of it.


7 posted on 06/04/2005 4:28:56 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: Pikamax

bump


8 posted on 06/04/2005 4:30:10 PM PDT by RippleFire ("It's a joke, son!")
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To: johnmecainrino

Thank God (literally) that he did not win. Can you imagine where we'd be today? A pell-mell withdrawal from Iraq, China even more aggressive than today, Iran and N Korea already testing nukes, and France still sniping from the sidelines. The guy would have been a disaster. If there was ever any doubt that the Almighty is looking out for us, the results last Novermber should cure the doubters.


9 posted on 06/04/2005 4:31:16 PM PDT by happyathome
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"Chirac's opinion poll numbers fell to their lowest point since his election in 1995, with 74 per cent of voters saying they did not trust him."
Do you mean to tell me that 26% of the voters do???
"The two men could compare unemployment rates: 10 per cent in France, and almost 12 per cent in Germany, as opposed to roughly 5 per cent in Britain."
Say, what happened to the Post-War Economic Miracle that was West Germany???

Oh yeah! That was capitalism. But when West Germany united with the economic catastrophe that was East Germany, the West Germans decided (for some unfathomable reason) to adopt the Marxist policies that had made East Germany an utter catastrophe and abandon the capitalist policies that had made West Germany an Economic Miracle--and presto! All of Germany is a Marxist catastrophe!

(Of course, this was predictable.)

"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."

The Europeans are learning this easy lesson the hard way. Let's just hope they learn it in time to save themselves.

10 posted on 06/04/2005 4:32:18 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left IS the Dark Side.)
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Actually I think that they just may have avoided a decline, and pulling down all of Europe. The EU (Ewww?) Constitution stunk. 500 pages of micromanagement (while the US Constition I can carry in my pocket, now if we can stick to it!), much that content not belonging in the constitution but in a separate document similar in scope to our Code of Federal Regulations. Otherwise the constitution itself grows in scope (and what is the change procedure? Ratification by member states? Wow, this is messy. Then again our CFR's get to be a bit much as well).

The right opposed it due to excessive regulation, tax burden, etc., and the left opposed it because of the perception that the "freebies" would be endangered. They both were right - this EU mess would eliminate local control, everything micro-managed from Brussels. Now if the lefties want their massive welfare state, and choke their economy, let them. Just don't drag down their neighbors.


11 posted on 06/04/2005 4:35:05 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (I live in Minnesota, I run a business in Minnesota, but I remain a TEXAN!)
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To: Savage Beast

"West Germany united with the economic catastrophe that was East Germany"

Reminds me of an Economist cover from that period. An East German is telling a West German "We're one people". The West German responds "So are we."


12 posted on 06/04/2005 4:35:23 PM PDT by happyathome
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"Schröder and Chirac ponder years of decline..."

Sweet! Maybe, like other declining Lefty heroes, they'll get gigs as PBS pitchmen during pledge drives.


13 posted on 06/04/2005 4:37:05 PM PDT by RedRover (Clueless about pop culture since 1973.)
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To: happyathome

That's a great quote. The Economist is worth every penny.


14 posted on 06/04/2005 4:38:52 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (I don't remember.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Except the Economist is also anti-Bush, anti-Iraq War, pro-terrorist (Arabs of any stripe) and patently liberal. I used to like the mag, but no more.


15 posted on 06/04/2005 4:44:45 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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The No votes in Holland, and especially France, exposed not just dislike of the direction Europe is taking, but insecurity about the ability of Old Europe to survive competition from the low-cost economies of New Europe.

It was Rumsfeld who popularized the terms "Old Europe" and "New Europe", but has since dropped these from his speeches because of the criticism he received. But they are very useful terms and I am glad to see that so many people in the press continue to use them.

16 posted on 06/04/2005 4:48:07 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Fred Hayek
The problems in France and Germany have nothing to do with Brussels; in fact they control Brussels. It has to due with a sclerotic labor market. If one can't fire, one can't hire.
17 posted on 06/04/2005 4:50:42 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: prion

Screw the Krauts!!


18 posted on 06/04/2005 4:55:52 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: happyathome

Even so, there is no reason to try his patience.


19 posted on 06/04/2005 4:57:06 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: stripes1776
I'm sure Rummy loves hearing about the slow and painful death of old Europe nanny states.
20 posted on 06/04/2005 5:13:10 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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