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To: b_sharp
"Done."

You are mixing apples and oranges to muddy the waters. There is no proof of non-living things becoming living. Even Francis Crick who discovered DNA said evolution can not happen.

Take all the chemicals you need to make a cell, put it together it does not make a living cell. The desire to believe a lie will always outweigh believing the truth. Evolution is a lie. Even the Nazis knew that if a lie is repeated it becomes the truth. Evolutionists rely on double speak and the persistent denial of the scientific truth. That is why evolution is actually a religion. Why? Because you have no proof and evolution requires a step in faith aka believing the unseen.

There are people that will not believe in a creator no matter what evidence is given and that is allowed. But I persist in saying show me the proof that a non living batch of chemicals can be made into a living thing. If this can be shown to me then I will give up my God for I know he is not the creator but a created myth. But the fact is every time we develop more technology and increase the knowledge of true science-the theory of evolution becomes more and more a religious faith.
43 posted on 06/04/2005 8:01:36 PM PDT by American Vet Repairman (The Trojan horse against conservatism is evolutionary theory.)
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To: American Vet Repairman
"You are mixing apples and oranges to muddy the waters. There is no proof of non-living things becoming living. Even Francis Crick who discovered DNA said evolution can not happen."

No, I answered the ridiculous assertions the web site you quoted (without attribution I might add) put forward as truth and I answered the condition you made. If anyone is equivocating it is you and other creationists who insist on conflating abiogenesis and evolution.

Either show a cite for the Crick statement or retract it.

"Take all the chemicals you need to make a cell, put it together it does not make a living cell."

Who ever said they did? All that is necessary for beginnings is a replicator and natural selection. The beginnings of life did not need to be a cell.
Is a prion a cell?
Is a virus a cell?
Which one is alive?

"The desire to believe a lie will always outweigh believing the truth. Evolution is a lie."

Evolution is a lie? You know nothing about it except it puts your faith in jeopardy and you feel qualified to judge it a lie?

"Even the Nazis knew that if a lie is repeated it becomes the truth. Evolutionists rely on double speak and the persistent denial of the scientific truth."

Why did you mention Nazis? What does science have to do with them? Sounds like you are trying to poison the well.

Science, including evolutionary scientists, put forward hypotheses that are then tested, falsified if possible, and either accepted or rejected based on a methodology. Nowhere in that sequence is there a requirement for double speak.

"That is why evolution is actually a religion. Why? Because you have no proof and evolution requires a step in faith aka believing the unseen."

Evolution, not abiogenesis, is a fact, we see it in action every day. The ToE has successfully defended (in scientific terms) itself against many attempts to falsify it. No matter how hard you pray that it isn't true, it has the weight of years of scientific research behind it.

"There are people that will not believe in a creator no matter what evidence is given and that is allowed. But I persist in saying show me the proof that a non living batch of chemicals can be made into a living thing."

If that is your problem, then argue with those involved in the research into abiogenesis. I have already shown you that many things can self-organise. Although I didn't present it, many things can self-replicate.

Just because we haven't succeeded in determining how life started does not mean we will ultimately fail. There are many things you have not done yet. Does this preclude you from doing them?

"If this can be shown to me then I will give up my God for I know he is not the creator but a created myth. But the fact is every time we develop more technology and increase the knowledge of true science-the theory of evolution becomes more and more a religious faith."

I'm sure that is what you have been told, but the reverse is true. Every day new insights and discoveries are being made that add to the enormous wealth of evidence for the ToE and more observations of evolution in action are documented.

45 posted on 06/04/2005 9:35:00 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: American Vet Repairman
"There are people that will not believe in a creator no matter what evidence is given..."

Prove this "creator" exists. What is this "evidence" you mention. If it really exists, proving the existence of your god should be a snap.

98 posted on 06/05/2005 4:09:29 PM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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