Government to Add 20,000 H-1B Visas (Update)

Computerworld ^ | Wednesday, June 01, 2005 | Patrick Thibodeau

[doc30]

Like I mentioned in my previous post, this job is blatantly illegal and does not conform to the specifications for H1B recruitment. It may be a real ad, or it may be a fake ad to rally support for H1B reform. It is a clear form of abuse.

[traviskicks]

I don't see your point. Either the Indian comes here or the company goes there. I don't see anything wrong with it(although it is in violation of H-1B rules).

There is nothing government can do to stop 'discrimination' hiring and so it should stop trying. Discrimination is a street that goes not only both ways, but round and circles.

I made all my points on the previous thread/post. I only commented cuz of the dare. :)

[SwordofTruth]

I don't see your point. Either the Indian comes here or the company goes there. I don't see anything wrong with it

That is exactly the problem, you don't see anything wrong with it.

[KittyKares]

I have known people who wanted to be nurses but found the courses to be grueling. One woman told me she was put in an acute care facility for fieldwork before she even knew how to take a person's blood pressure. Her day would be full with fieldwork, studying, and classes. Forget about trying to hold down a job, too. She couldn't keep up with the intense pace.

Since the demand is so high, why can't American schools make nursing programs a little more reasonable?

[MD_Willington_1976]

That's more than what I make...but I'm not a H1 guy...

[somniferum]

The coursework for nursing school is grueling because the day-to-day work of being a nurse is grueling. Aside from being extremely stressful mentally, the labor is often backbreaking and long hours are the norm. To put it bluntly the schools try to weed out people that won't be able to hack it in the field, similar to engineering programs and law/medical schools.

I do not think lowering standards is a good solution.

[KittyKares]

I don't mean to lower the standards, just make the hours reasonable, maybe by spreading it out over a little more time. Also, train a person properly before you drop them amongst seriously ill patients.

I know someone who had trained in a related medical profession, and when she went through her internship in a hospital, she almost failed because she had never even been schooled in simple basics such as how to set the brakes on a wheelchair, or how to administer a bedpan.

Sometimes people will take interns not because they have so much free time to train students but because they are hoping to get free help.

Maybe if we train people properly and get more graduates, the working conditions won't be so stressed because you will have enough qualified staff to spread the work out.

[Serenissima Venezia]

Bill Gates complains that not enough American kids study computer science but why would they when the government has a policy of kicking them in the economic teeth every time Bill Gates wants to shave a few bucks off his payroll.

I agree that those jobs need to go to U.S. citizens first and the foreigners coming over here should get the same wages. Is there some data to show that they are earning less than similarly-trained Americans?

Because I think that majoring in computer science or engineering is still quite lucrative. According to jobsoutlook.com, last year the average computer science graduate made $48,000 per year which was only topped by average engineering graduates that made $50,000 per year. Not bad for someone just out of school! I'll have to keep an eye out and see if these starting salaries decrease as more of these visas for issued. That would be a shame.

[Serenissima Venezia]

You dared me, so I had to. And I was appalled! Isn't it illegal? I hope somebody (some AMERICAN) sues them.

[gonewt]

What I find absolutely fascinating is that Americans are good enough to fight & die for the right of these companies to operate with impunity.

Yet when it comes to hiring, they want to use every loophole to save a buck & "outsource" American sovereignty and security to a 3rd World worker.

[SwordofTruth]

According to jobsoutlook.com, last year the average computer science graduate made $48,000 per year which was only topped by average engineering graduates that made $50,000 per year.

They don't factor into those averages the computer science graduates who can't find jobs. If they did the average would be probably well under $10,000 a year. That's how bad it really is. I know, I graduated in the spring of 2003 with a BS in CS and didn't find a job programming until this month. However it is nothing to be too exited about, I'm only starting out at $25,600 a year, well below the national average even though I was an above average student in school. I am seriously thinking about doing something else. Programming is way too much work for only $12.27 an hour.

[snowsislander]

If they did the average would be probably well under $10,000 a year. That's how bad it really is. I know, I graduated in the spring of 2003 with a BS in CS and didn't find a job programming until this month. However it is nothing to be too exited about, I'm only starting out at $25,600 a year, well below the national average even though I was an above average student in school. I am seriously thinking about doing something else. Programming is way too much work for only $12.27 an hour.

With computer science, you are competing with people who can live very, very well on $1,000 per month. Another degree in a field where physical presence is required, or some other barrier to entry, would at least help in the labor arbitrage situation that we are faced with now.

[TSgt]

Thanks for the link, it is sickening. I think the recruiter is Indian.

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[NY Attitude]

"With computer science, you are competing with people who can live very, very well on $1,000 per month. Another degree in a field where physical presence is required, or some other barrier to entry, would at least help in the labor arbitrage situation that we are faced with now"

I live in an area (Silicon Valley) where there are a lot of persons holding an H1B visa. They live together with as many as 3 - 4 families in apartments and pay rent. During the .com era, they were successful in driving up the price of rent to other renters as much as 25%. Since the .com bust some have gone home but many still remain because of the large contractor here.

When I go to the grocery store I fell like I am in New Delhi.

[Nov3]

Wages must be rising. This sucks.