[RolandBurnam]

if its a job no american would do its because wages are too low for the job. if no illegals were here, the wages would get bid up and americans would take the jobs. prices would then go up accordingly, but who knows how much or what would happen... same thing with the plastic crap from china, if we want to employ americans, we would be paying 3x for the plastic crap we buy at wally world now.

[JasonC]

And no one would buy plastic crap at 3x the prices they pay now. The consumer walks right by. No deal results. I won't work for less than $10 an hour meets I won't pay more than $10 for that item. Everybody walks around with their nose in the air, without products or jobs. The only wage anybody can "demand" and actually get is the real value his efforts create for others. In a modern welfare start, half that.