Yes, Americans will Do Those Jobs

boblonsberry.com ^ | 06/03/05 | Bob Lonsberry

[John Filson]

Just a poster on an internet forum, giving my opinion, which seems to be a crime to you.

Advocating illegal behavior (immigration) online is somewhat protected by the first amendment. Enjoy your hard-fought privileges to undermine our rights with illegal immigration. Others have defended them for you with their lives and blood, so you'd better live it up.

[Dane]

Advocating illegal behavior (immigration) online is somewhat protected by the first amendment. Enjoy your hard-fought privileges to undermine our rights with illegal immigration. Others have defended them for you with their lives and blood, so you'd better live it up

More drama queen dramatics, BTW I'm not defending illegal immigration, just stating that the system has to be fixed.

Personally I support the Kyl/Cornyn immigration bill, intsead of the liberal/rino kennedy/mccain bill.

But what the hey, you probably consider good conservatives such as Kyl and Cornyn as "traitors" also. I would probably have a better conversation with a brick wall.

[Bob]

Thanks for the link. I'll go through the numbers to see what the cost impact would be for increasing the labor costs. (I still suspect that the impact will be minimal given all of the other production costs involved.)

[HiJinx]

This article needs to be seen far and wide...

[primeval patriot]

Curious that the open borders/illegal immigration advocate crowd is resorting to the "union activist" label...

What's bizarre about that is the AFL-CIO is all for the ongoing invasion.

[John Filson]

What's bizarre about that is the AFL-CIO is all for the ongoing invasion.

Thanks, yes.

Immigration reform is a long ignored crisis that demands urgent action. But President Bush’s announcement today of his principles for immigration reform is a hollow promise for hardworking, undocumented workers, people seeking to immigrate to the U.S. and U.S. workers alike. --AFL-CIO (Guillermo Meneses 202-637-5018)

So much for "union support" for restricting immigration and deporting illegal aliens.

Open-borders and illegal alien advocates on these threads are mighty transparent in their ploy to bring down America one alien at a time.

[Redcloak]

Americans would gladly do those jobs -- if the bosses weren't crooks.

Almost, but not quite. Americans would do these jobs if the rest of us didn't pay them not to do them. End welfare, end foodstamps, end housing subsidies, and end all of the other tax-payer funded freebies that allow people to refuse these jobs. Given a choice between starvation and picking lettuce, most people will choose the lettuce field. Right now, they aren't faced with that choice. Instead, we take care of them so they needn't worry about an inconvenient job causing them to miss Oprah.

The "Eeeeeeeevil Capitalists" aren't the problem. The "Compassionate" are the problem.

[Serenissima Venezia]

End welfare, end foodstamps, end housing subsidies, and end all of the other tax-payer funded freebies that allow people to refuse these jobs.

Excellent point. And ending these freebies also applies to the illegals - they wouldn't be willing to work for very little if their income wasn't subsidized by these giveaways.

[jimt]

I noticed at least 5 or six "white guys" in the group that looked like they were no stranger to work.The rest were Hispanic.

There's a wide range of colors and features in "hispanic" people, including some who look like "white guys". The idea of a "hispanic race" is laughable.

[ozarkgirl]

Americans will pick lettuce and fry fries and clean toilets and pave roads and milk cows.

Only if they paid $9.50 an hour with medical and dental benefits!

Not true, McDonalds pays about $6 (have no idea about benefits). In my area we have no significant illegal population, it's homemakers getting a few extra bucks and kids. You do NOT have to have illegals to make it work.

[primeval patriot]

Another quote for you. An article about this protest has been posted somewhere on FR.

Faceoff over civil rights and immigration legalities

New Hampshire AFL-CIO president Mark MacKenzie, who attended the protest, said illegal immigrants are part of the economy "and that's the reality."

Charging illegal immigrants with criminal trespassing "is an embarrassment for New Hampshire," he said. "I think it paints us a right-wing, reactionary state."

[JesseJane]

Excellent article.

[JesseJane]

LaRaza is all about one race.. the hispanic race. They don't much care for anyone that isn't hispanic.

[RavenATB]

Here's the coming nightmare that stems from this problem:

By the time this generation of young children are grown adults with their own children, the labor market will be so flooded with illegal aliens and the children of illegal aliens that it will be virtually impossible for a two-parent family to survive above the poverty level if both parents are working at unskilled labor jobs.

Our politicians (not just the Republicans; remember, Clinton paid no attention to this problem for eight years) have completely sold out America's lower middle class.

Two adult parents who have only a high school education are going to be in serious economic jeopardy in less than 20 years unless this problem is resolved.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Bob Lonsberry misses one point: for a lot of these jobs, if the cost per hour exceeds a certain amount, the job just goes away and doesn't get done if it doesn't really need to be done. Since a lot of our economy is built on discretionary spending, that's a lot of jobs at risk.

[John Filson]

I would probably have a better conversation with a brick wall.

Try talking to this pile of bricks:

Battle of San Jacinto Memorial

[hispanichoosier]

Through a willingness to work below legal and prevailing wages, and because many employers pay them under the table, avoiding taxes and insurance, the cost of illegal labor is substantially below what the free market would price it at.

Your argument is based on the premise that wages--unlike other resources--cannot go down in price (whether or not a minimum wage exists). The market--whether legal or illegal (black) will settle on a cost for labor. It is we who are artificially inflating it.

[ozarkgirl]

we may have $5 heads of lettuce in our stores;

Wouldn't happen, I read hire legal American's at $10 an hour would raise it by .25 cents per head.

By my own calculations, if one cuts 100 head of lettuce in an hour at $5.00 an hour, that would be .05 labor per head of lettuce, pay someone $10 (an AMERICAN) that would increase the cost per head by .05 cents. I don't know how many head a person could cut in an hour but I'd bet 100 is an extremely low estimate.

We're just buying into the arguments employers of illegals want us to believe.

[Regulator]

Apparently you still don't get it.

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

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