[Jim Noble]

To expect a country that has been brutally suppressed for 30 years and is presently under covert attack by the oppressors to suddenly turn into that Shining City on a Hill is either naive or dishonest.

But sir, you wrong me.

I don't expect any such thing.

In fact, if we wait 8000 years for it to happen, I don't expect it to happen.

Who are these "oppressors" of whom you speak? Are they, or their behavior, any different from the long and unhappy history of that barbarous region?

[kjam22]

I think you and I see this very much the same.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

But sir, you wrong me.

I don't see how a disagreement can wrong you but if that is your take, fine.

Either you believe that man innately seeks and prefers freedom or you don't. If you don't, case closed. If you do the fact of historic oppression and conflict does not negate that. What has been missing in the past in that part of the world has been the opportunity to be free. They now have an opportunity to achieve that.

There will always be conflict between good and evil, freedom and oppression. We see it right here at home being played out between the Democrats and the Republicans. Ben Franklin famously warned of the difficulty in keeping our form of representative democracy, or republic. I believe the desire for freedom is universal. If you don't then your perspective is different from mine and that colors our opinions.