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To: durasell
Anyone who is ill can go to the emergency room and never have to pay a dime. They cannot refuse to see you.

There are also many charities that do nothing but take care of people who can't afford to see a doctor. Charities that pay for prescription drugs, drug companies with programs that give away free drugs for the needy, local doctors and pharmacists who volunteer at free health clinics, neighbors who volunteer with local hospices to take care of the needy, etc.

If anyone is in need of health care there are places that know how to get it done. All one needs to do is ask around their community. People are not heartless no matter what a bunch of liberal kooks say.

I know because I belong to several of those organizations and people can get help if they need it.

Since when do we need the government or unions to tell employers how they should run their businesses? Why do you think they want people to think others don't care about the needy? Maybe because they want people to think they can't make it on their own and need the government and unions to take care of them? That comes with a huge price too.
23 posted on 06/02/2005 11:07:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Again, we'll see how it shakes out after October. The linking of health care and bankruptcy reform isn't obvious, but the stats are revealing.


24 posted on 06/02/2005 11:12:54 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: kcvl

Here's a story I googled on the subject ---

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:43 a.m. ET Feb. 2, 2005
BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of all personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go bankrupt because of medical problems have health insurance, according to findings from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday.
Researchers from Harvard’s law and medical schools said the findings underscore the inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case catastrophic coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses.
“Unless you’re Bill Gates, you’re just one serious illness away from bankruptcy,” said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study’s lead author and an associate professor of medicine. “Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick.”
The study, to be published online Wednesday by the journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to 1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. That year, there were 1.46 million personal bankruptcies in the United States.
More than 900 of those questioned underwent more detailed interviews about their financial and medical circumstances for what the authors say is the first in-depth study of medical causes of personal bankruptcies, which have risen rapidly in recent years.
Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at least in part, for 46.2 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the study. Himmelstein said the figure rose to 54.5 percent when three other factors were counted as medical-related triggers for bankruptcies: births, deaths and pathological gambling addiction.
The study estimates medical-caused bankruptcies affect about 2 million Americans each year, counting debtors and their dependents, including 700,000 children.
Most were insured
Most of those seeking court protection from creditors had health insurance, with more than three-quarters reporting they had coverage at the start of the illness that triggered bankruptcy. The study said 38 percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the time they filed for bankruptcy, with illness frequently leading to the loss of both a job and insurance.
Out-of-pocket medical expenses covering co-payments, deductibles and uncovered health services averaged $13,460 for bankruptcy filers who had private insurance at the onset of illness, compared with $10,893 for those without coverage. Those who initially had private coverage but lost it during their illness faced the highest cost, an average of $18,005.
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Middle-class hit hard
The findings indicate medical-related bankruptcies hit middle-class families hard — 56 percent of the filers owned a home, and the same number had attended college.
“Families with coverage faced unaffordable co-payments, deductibles and bills for uncovered items like physical therapy, psychiatric care and prescription drugs,” Himmelstein said.
The study, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, did not examine how many bankruptcy filers were from dual-income families where both partners had insurance, Himmelstein said.
Jeff Morris, resident scholar at the American Bankruptcy Institute, founded by Congress in 1982 to analyze bankruptcy trends, said the Harvard findings roughly mirror those of a 1996 ABI study in which 57 percent of bankruptcy filers cited medical problems as a primary bankruptcy cause. Respondents in that study were more likely to cite three other factors as primary causes, including easy access to credit, job loss and financial mismanagement.
Morris said he was aware of no data indicating that the Harvard study, which was based on 2001 bankruptcy filings, does not accurately reflect current trends in medical-related bankruptcies.
“Medical coverage is becoming more for catastrophic loss than for intermediate expenses,” Morris said.
© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed


26 posted on 06/02/2005 11:15:50 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: kcvl
Anyone who is ill can go to the emergency room and never have to pay a dime. They cannot refuse to see you.

Your second sentence is true, but your first is not. Only the truly indigent never have to pay a dime. The rest of the uninsured have to pay, they give you a period of time to make payments, even if you are uninsured and working at low-pay jobs.

That is also driving health-care costs up.

55 posted on 06/03/2005 9:05:19 AM PDT by Aliska
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