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To: nwctwx

Some is probably true. Some definitely not. All of it is ripped off from other people's books/articles from many years ago (most pre-9/11). It is a sloppy cut-and-paste job of the most sensationalistic threats that have made the rounds. The off-the-chart idiocy of "smuggling sleepers" is the most glaring. Not sure if it is Farrah or Williams to blame as nothing is sourced (like they figured all this out themselves).

You cannot "smuggle" sleepers. Sleepers spend years, sometimes decades building legitimate lives for themselves here and stay out of contact from their network until they are activated. (They stay dormant for a decade or more before acting. That is why they are called "sleepers", because they "sleep" until they are "awakened".)

This is probably why the Brits are having problems rounding up suspects - - they may be "sleepers". These guys have been off the grid for years probably - - deliberately not going to suspect mosques, hanging out with jihadis, or doing anything else to bring attention to themselves, especially flying into London recently from Afghanistan or something like that.

Yosef Bodansky wrote on the Chechens and the Zawahiri nuclear connection in the mid-1990s. Vasili Mitrokhin wrote in the late 1990s on the possibility Spetznaz prepositioned nukes in the US. Hamid Mir interviewed UBL and was the source for the 2001 suitcase nuke story. Neither Farrah or Williams sourced any of these stories. Shameless.

Sometimes a poor messenger can discredit an important message.

Another site spread the word a year or so ago that there were 35-40 nukes here. Things like that are so over-the-top ludicrous that folks then throw the baby out with the bathwater (as they seem to do on the other thread).

The idea of smuggling 40 nukes betrays such blithering ignorance of how the world works that it isn't worth discussing. But 3-4 is within the realm of reason . . .


2001 NYC/DC/PA = 4 attacks

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

2003 Riyadh = 4 attacks

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,954825,00.html

2003 Casablanca = 4 attacks

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-05-16-morocco-blasts_x.htm

2004 Madrid = 4 attacks

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040311/323/eo9ct.html

2005 London = 4 attacks (3 underground; 1 bus bomber who did not make it to the target)

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/world/12095833.htm


4,144 posted on 07/11/2005 12:19:26 PM PDT by callmejoe
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To: callmejoe

The 4! Remember all the "4" jihadi messages back in 2003?

4 by sea, 4 in the air, etc. Some of these "4" posts added on a reference to continuing on to the "trained Manhattan" which was even before Madrid.


4,153 posted on 07/11/2005 12:35:51 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: callmejoe
Most of it is copied from Williams. I read his book last yr, and most of his info was open-source, some was not. The pattern of 4s is an interesting one, I did not realize there had been 4 simultaneous attacks in so many places.
4,160 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:02 PM PDT by nwctwx (Everything I need to know, I learned on the Threat Matrix)
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To: callmejoe

Spooky, with all those 4s..you post on #4144.

Remember this from May 2003?



Their leader .. The sheikh Osama the Allah keeps him .. He orders them .. Four .. Four .. !

And cells " his rule " they execute his orders .. Four .. Four .. !

Four in the climate .. !

And four in the land .. !

And four in the sea .. !

Then her puppy is in America .. " a climate " .. Four .. Four .. !

And exploded her in Riyadh " a land " .. Four .. Four .. !

And the next by God willing " a sea " .. Four .. Four .. !

They explode her .. Magnifiers " the Allah is the greatest " four .. Four .. !

And the divider is near in America .. Four .. Four .. !

And there I am today I smile .. Four .. Four !

And tomorrow he will amuse to the believers support by God willing .. Four .. Four .. !

Thanks to God and the gift .. Four .. Four .. !


4,162 posted on 07/11/2005 1:18:55 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: callmejoe

This is another tip off...to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~These guys are about 70 years old now and went down in the cold war. Russia's army is in very bad shape.

Spetznaz
At the turn of the 21st century, much of what would be generally considered as nonsense for military junkies was written about Spetsnaz, GRU, KGB, and similar "top secret" and "exciting" topics. The word "Spetsnaz" was sometimes frivolously used to refer to anything the speaker deemed somehow special or "cool". For example, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a well-known populist and nationalist politician of very ill repute, once referred to his and his political party comrades' going for a swim at a party-organized festival as a "Spetsnaz on the water", while speaking on camera. This somewhat intentionally extreme incident should give some sense of the extent the term has been debased for many less literate users.

http://www.answers.com/topic/spetsnaz


4,185 posted on 07/11/2005 2:21:25 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
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