Everyone does a good job here. :)
There is also some discussion of #19 (it's always popping up) in that thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1013726/posts?page=6167#6167
Follow the pings.
I followed the links back to this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1013726/posts?page=5694#5694