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To: strategofr

"Icebreaker" is a treatment of the pact between Stalin and Hitler. It also discusses Barbarossa. The unique thing about it is that it looks deeply into Stalin's motivation for the pact and at the evidence that Stalin intended to invade Germany and from there, the rest of Europe, sometime between late 1941 and the beginning of 1943. If true, then it casts Barbarossa in a whole new light - essentially, making Barbarossa into a true backstabbing move not just simple conquest. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND reading this book! Also, yet another good read, that 100% corroborates aspects laid out by "Icebreaker" is Hans Rudel Ulrich's account of the war, titled "Stuka Pilot." I must warn you, this latter is very, very dry reading with no style at all. But the content is valuable, very valuable! The observations made by Rudel early on during Barbarossa, if taken at face value, demonstrate just how close Europe was to be conquered completely by Stalin right on the heels of Hitler's incursion. That Stalin ended up with only a fraction is 100% due to the unexpected occurrence of Barbarossa.


23 posted on 06/03/2005 4:09:24 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD
Totalitarian regimes by their very nature do not trust one another. Hitler no more trusted Stalin as Stalin trusted Tito or Mao. They understood each others motive. the only countries that trusted Hitler and Stalin and China were the democracies of the West. One of the reasons that there were so many wars in history IMO was because there were so many absolute rulers. Theses rulers understood there fellow rulers because they would do the same thing to each other if given the chance. This is were the US is and has been different in its history. We do not want world domination. If we did we would have conquered the world long ago. WE just want to be left alone but the other nutcases will not let us alone and continue to draw us into saving the world from but one more nutcase.
25 posted on 06/03/2005 4:20:50 PM PDT by unseen
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To: GOP_1900AD

"The observations made by Rudel early on during Barbarossa, if taken at face value, demonstrate just how close Europe was to be conquered completely by Stalin right on the heels of Hitler's incursion."

Thanks much for the info. Are you a Strategy Page guy at all?


28 posted on 06/04/2005 4:58:31 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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