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Freeper research wanted: Can we estimate Felt's FBI pension? Is he being abused by his daughter?
one man's opinion

Posted on 06/02/2005 11:18:04 AM PDT by ken5050

Much has been written about the need and desire of Felt's family to cash in on his 15 minutes of fame. I have no problem with this, but we're also hearing about how he is living in a converted garage at his daughter's house, and that she has taken care of him for 20 years. Before designating her for sainthood. I 'd like to point out that he has been receiving a federal pension all this time, and he retired at the top of the federal pay system I know very little about the federal system, but assume there are many here who can estimate what his salary was at the time he retired, and what his pension is, even assuming that he elected a reduced benefit option to provide a survivor benefitfor his wife.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deepthroat; fbi; markfelt
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To: Howlin
Which "crap"? I recall very distinctly when the "cover" came into the thread and who provided. I also recall distinctly when speculation arose concerning the keeping of grandpa in the garage (which is a bit off the mark since your typical garage is somewhat isolated from the rest of the house, yet can be quite as comfortable as the rest of it + most garages are "ta, da" at GROUND LEVEL).

I think one of the posters involved in the caregiver issue does PROJECT, probably because of having had entirely too much experience in that.

Most of the questions concerning the caregiver's motives and behavior have been satisfactorily answered with research by other posters.

The conclusion, in case you missed it, is that these people probably don't have all that much money, but are comfortable enough to be most concerned with student loans.

I can PROJECT on that!

There is not now, best I can see, any real questions about what's going on; just a lingering touch of speculation.

I'm with Gordon Liddy on this one though. I would reconsider the pardon Ronald Reagan gave this guy.

221 posted on 06/02/2005 5:03:41 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Hildy

IMO, the unseemliness of it certainly goes to THEIR credibility.


222 posted on 06/02/2005 5:04:45 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: muawiyah

The crap of making personal attacks on other posters.

But you knew that.


223 posted on 06/02/2005 5:06:19 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: mewzilla
Well, someone is. We don't know that it's Felt.

Even if he doesn't get to spend it, it "inures to his benefit" because he gets to direct where it goes.

In other words: He's cashing in.

224 posted on 06/02/2005 5:07:21 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: ken5050
Ken, I think you are on to something. As a retired USG employee myself with 36 years of accredited service, I posit that Mr Felt is doing ok. I suspect that the daughter is taking care of him rather than see the money "wasted" in some senior care facility. She can use some the money to cover her household expenses/.

According to his bio, Felt entered the FBI in 1942 and was the number 2 man until June 1973. I don't know if he retired at that time or moved elsewhere in the USG since he was later convicted of breaking into Weatherman homes without a warrant.

For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that Felt retired in 1973 with 31 years of USG service at the age of 60 (he was born in 1913.) He would be entitled to about 62% of the average of his high three years salary, which were probably the last three years of his service. Assuming his average salary was $45,000 (based on some information related to Congressional salaries, which cap civil service salaries), Felt received a pension of $27,900. This pension is indexed for inflation and goes up every year using the same rate as SS. Assuming a conservative 3.5% increase per annum, his pension after 32 years should be $83,887. He could be doing better than that since the inflation of the 1970s and early 1980s resulted in higher COLAs. I would have to do a year by year breakdown to get a better estimate.

Social Security Cost-Of-Living Adjustments

225 posted on 06/02/2005 5:08:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Howlin
My word, the universal sin!

I would have never suspected it.

You will notice I reserve my harshest invective for Democrats, Liberals, RINOS, "fibbies", and assorted evil doers of all kinds.

226 posted on 06/02/2005 5:08:49 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Hildy
It's not crazier; perhaps she is everything you say.

But you don't know, and attacking people who are asking questions is really out of order. I have explained to you why the question is pertinent. It isn't like we chose to pick on some poor unsuspecting innocent just for meanness.

She has made herself a public figure. Speculation on her motives, expecially given what was printed in Vanity Fair, is not unreasonable.

227 posted on 06/02/2005 5:09:34 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
I thought I read he was on a $150,000 a year pension. Is that possible?

See my post 225.

228 posted on 06/02/2005 5:12:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: maestro
..for the record......what religious denomination was Felt?

Do you really need to ask? I'm sure he was a communist.

229 posted on 06/02/2005 5:14:27 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Miss Marple

John Dean, just on Keith Oberman's show, has a column coming out tomorrow speculating that there might have been "assistant Deep Throats".


230 posted on 06/02/2005 5:15:51 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: ken5050
As I understand it..pensions are NOT forfeitable because of convictions...if you are indicted, and convicted, before retiring..or being allowed to retire..then it can be a different matter..

There are conditions when a federal pension is forefeitable. One is if you are convicted of treason.

231 posted on 06/02/2005 5:15:57 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ken5050

>>Sorry for being so cynical

that's like using pms as an excuse to backhand children. you are out of line.


232 posted on 06/02/2005 5:16:43 PM PDT by Glenn (pardon the e.e.cummings look. a busted arm makes typing seem like work.)
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To: Howlin; Hildy

Howlin, thank you for the well deserved warning about forum protocol.


233 posted on 06/02/2005 5:16:50 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Howlin

Neapolitano on Fox says if he accepts money, it is the second half of a bribe. Also says this is malfeasance in office and passing secrets.


234 posted on 06/02/2005 5:16:50 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: kabar
I think I knew this woman back in her "wilder" days, although, (Swearing on a stack of Bibles and Korans for that matter), I had NOTHING to do with her.

Is anyone sure about the California commune, or was it something closer to home ~ like an old house in Arlington?

A fellow about my age named Hahn did something like this ~ as his ex-wife put it "he ran off with the hippies", and that involved this rather destructive commune in Arlington.

When that place went on the market a buddy of mine proposed we cash in everything we had and buy it ~ a mere $50,000. It now has a large highrise office building on the lot. Yes, we have bashed our foreheads into very flat places.

Anyway, these people were all the children of highranking Post Office Department Inspectors, FBI agents, and Treasury agents. It was a mixed group of Protestants and Catholics although this occurred at the time many Protestant federal law officers regularly attended the KofC watering hole in Arlington with their Catholic work associates.

Brings back the good old days ~ Bebe Rebozzo pouring Margaritas out of a pitcher with Richard Nixon, and then they'd crawl around on all 4s in the Rose Garden ~ really scandalized their military "guards" who all belonged to the same American Legion post that I did.

My goodness were there stories.

All of Felt's stories were available at the Legion or the KofC a few days before they showed up in the Post. There were no mysteries in town.

235 posted on 06/02/2005 5:17:16 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Treader

Glad I could help.


236 posted on 06/02/2005 5:17:21 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Lunkhead_01
P.S. And we don't know if "Deep Throat" even bothered to buy health insurance. I believe 40% of the uninsured are uninsured not because health insurance policies are not available to them; they are uninsured because they believe they are healthy and stupidly believe they will always be so.

Once Felt turned 65, he is covered by Medicare.

237 posted on 06/02/2005 5:17:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Miss Marple

He pretty much nailed it.


238 posted on 06/02/2005 5:18:01 PM PDT by Howlin (Up or down on Janice Brown!)
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To: Carolinamom
No doubt John Dean would know the answer. Ask him who was hiding in the closet working for Jack Anderson while he was in there bribing the Cuban defendants?

He knows.

239 posted on 06/02/2005 5:18:47 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Miss Marple
Interesting. No statute of limitations on this one ~ if he continues to commit the crime.

Quite sneaky.

I still don't trust TV judges.

240 posted on 06/02/2005 5:20:06 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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