Mexican wave

The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 06/04/05 | Peter Brimelow

[rdb3]

VDARE via The Spectator of Britain.

[Altair333]

Very intersting and worrying article.

My one consolation on the immigration issue is that the American people are just now waking up to the problem. And politicians, prostitutes for votes that they are, will gradually get the message.

I can honestly say I've become more aware and learned more about the immigration issue in the last year than I had in my entire life up to this year. And I sense a lot of Americans are the same way.

And Democrat or Republican, a majority of Americans seem to strongly want the illegal immigration stropped. That being the case, I'm hopeful that change will gradually come. Almost certainly not in the Bush administration, but hopefully in the George Allen administration.

We on the internet need to do our part by keeping this issue out there- I enjoy the articles posted here on the subject.

[isthisnickcool]

We need more talented people that can make older Chevy's jump up and down at the push of a button. If we deported all the Mexican illegals we'd have a hopping automobile crisis that would destroy the country!

[Eurotwit]

fyi.

[ikka]

The author, Peter Brimelow, wrote a great book on the subject called "Alien Nation" I believe.

[Sam the Sham]

However — and it’s a big however — the economists’ consensus is that, while immigration does not increase the aggregate income of the native-born, it does cause an immense redistribution of wealth within the native-born community, basically by depressing wages. George Borjas has estimated that more than 2 per cent of GDP is redistributed from labour to capital. This by itself explains much of the American immigration debate or, more accurately, lack of it. Big political donors, like Silicon Valley and agribusiness, want cheap labour. Politicians of all parties give it to them. Both are engaged in a predatory attack on American workers. It’s embarrassing, but vulgar Marxism does offer the simplest explanation.

It's called "class warfare".

[vbmoneyspender]

Poor, illiterate Mexicans, like most other Hispanic immigrants, don’t do particularly well in the sophisticated American economy.

If Brimelow had lived a hundred and fifty years agor he'd have said the same things about the Irish. And a hundred years ago he'd have said the same things about the Italians and the Poles. To the extent we have an illegal immigration problem in this country and a failure on the part of immigrants to acculturate, those are symptoms of the problem, not the problem itself. The problem is the welfare state, which encourages people not to work hard while also encouraging people (e.g. people of different ethnic backgrounds) to think of themselves as victims so that they remain dependent on the welfare state. Pare back the welfare state and the multiculturism that it fosters and the only people we will have coming here are people who want to work hard and who want to become Americans.

On a related note, we also might try putting pressure on the Mexicans to change the way they govern themselves so that a bloated government that is filled with corruption doesn't stifle the economic activity that would otherwise be occurring if they had a liberalized economy.

[rdb3]

It's called "class warfare".

And I was commenting on the fact that this guy is from VDARE, not on continuing a debate from another thread.

[Sam the Sham]

Sure. And the best way to solve the auto theft problem would be if everyone drove a twenty year old Yugo.

[Condor51]

***The author, Peter Brimelow, wrote a great book on the subject called "Alien Nation" I believe.****

Considering that very fact is stated at the end of the piece

"Peter Brimelow is the editor of VDARE.COM and the author of Alien Nation...."

you 'believe' correctly.

[no offense meant, just "funnin"]

[Texas_Jarhead]

Interesting BUMP

[vbmoneyspender]

I don't follow you. It's wrong in and of itself, to steal a car. It's not wrong in and of itself to want to come to the United States and work hard so that you can make a good life for you and your family. That's what my forebearers did when they came here and that's what your forebearers did too.

[B4Ranch]

>>Basically, the US is importing a new underclass.<<

That is impossible with diversity, multiculturalism and political correctness!

>>The amazing thing to me, as a long-time US financial journalist, is that the consensus among labour economists is that, in aggregate, this enormous influx is of no significant economic benefit to native-born Americans . This consensus has existed for more than ten years and was confirmed in the National Research Council’s report ‘The New Americans’ (1997).<<

Allow me to say it before a OBL does.
The author must be a racist with views such as this!

>>The argument: immigration does increase total output — Gross Domestic Product (GDP). But essentially all of that goes to the immigrants themselves in the form of wages. In other words, America is being transformed for nothing. <<

>>The conclusion that immigration is not essential to economic growth has been long known across the Anglosphere. A 1991 study by the Economic Council of Canada found that doubling that country’s (very high) immigration rate would result in ‘very small’ gains by 2015. A 1985 study by the Australian Committee for Economic Development found that increased immigration had no clear beneficial effect on output per capita. More recently, David Coleman and Robert Rowthorn reported in the December 2004 Population and Development Review that, for the UK, ‘the economic consequences of large-scale immigration are mostly trivial, negative or transient’. <<

The words this author refuses to discuss are "Agenda 21" and the "New World Order".

[Sax]

Agreed, if the newly arriving were striving to assimilate into the American culture and looking to better themselves through hard work and education, this could be a benefit, just like other waves of immigration in our past.

The danger is having welfare-minded folks simply waltzing across the border for handouts. I found this quote quite disturbing:

"The Mexican government has quite openly taken the historic decision to dump its poor on the American welfare state — a phenomenon sometimes called ‘the Mexodus’ — and to encourage them not to assimilate."

Here's the danger:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure." -Alexander Tyler (100+ yrs ago.)

[Sam the Sham]

It is most definitely wrong to come to this country illegally and steal the tax dollars of American citizens. If the American people choose to have public education and public health facilities that is their choice and no one has any right to steal it from them.

The answer to theft isn't to give up anything that someone might want to steal.

[B4Ranch]

Immigrants from countries that haven't reached the same technical levels as we have generally take a generation or two to assimilate. Unfortunately their criminal leaders are among the first to acculturate.

[skeeter]

If Brimelow had lived a hundred and fifty years agor he'd have said the same things about the Irish. And a hundred years ago he'd have said the same things about the Italians and the Poles.

The current immigration situation with Mexico has no parallel in the past - not with Ireland, not with Poland, not with Italy. Its silly to contend otherwise.

[B4Ranch]

They are not stealing! Our politicians are giving our money to them with every public benefit available.

We are the idiots who continue to reelect these charitable bastards, not the illegals.

[PaRebel]

Not familiar with VDARE; it looks like an anti-immigration site.