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Neighbors Saw Anger in Girl, 9, Accused in Killing
NY Times ^ | June 1, 2005 | MICHAEL WILSON

Posted on 06/01/2005 11:25:00 AM PDT by neverdem

The 9-year-old girl's mother was gone only briefly Monday, running upstairs to the 11th floor to borrow a hair-straightening comb to help give the girl braids before a barbecue downstairs in the courtyard.

The girl was playing with one of her closest friends, with whom she spent so much time that some thought they were related, an 11-year-old named Queen Washington. Everyone called her Queenie. In the 9-year-old's apartment on the seventh floor of the Linden Houses in East New York, Brooklyn, the two girls began to fight over a ball, the police said.

As any parent will tell, even the gentlest child has an occasional tantrum. But the 9-year-old, while bright and inventive, struck some of her neighbors as a different kind, a girl who often showed flashes of nasty, violent anger when she did not get her way.

"As long as things go in her favor, she was a sweet, beautiful young girl," said Kahindà Lannigan, 42, a retired home care worker who lives in the girl's building. "But when the tides were in favor of other children, she'll hit, kick, scratch, scream and spit. She'd hit anyone on the head with a bottle if she was fighting. She'd beat them any way she could."

Still, the adults who knew her said yesterday, no one would imagine her capable of killing.

The police said the 9-year-old stabbed Queenie in the chest with a steak knife. The blade perforated the older girl's heart, killing her as she stumbled out of the apartment and tried to make it to the elevator down the hall, the police said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: attemptedmurders; children; murders; newyorkcity; youth
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To: netmilsmom
#31..I think you are so wise.

Would that my parents had been so astute when I was young.

A playmate of mine...about 3 yrs.older...was a little troublemaker.

But she was also a type of piedpiper, and could manipulate with the best of them.

It seems often I would have injuries whenever we played....the type of things that parents say 'don't do'....

..like crawl through barbed wire to play in a forbidden area.
..She always came away unscathed.....I got caught in the barbed wire and tore my leg pretty badly.

...there were other instances...

..but the one that finally got my parents attention...

..her father said to not play with his golf clubs.

Of course she did...and I was right with her.

I sustained a split face with broken teeth, and 3 plastic surgerie operations when I was only 10!

We moved shortly after that.----I didn't play with her any more.

Stick to your guns.

I was naive and stupid.

You obviously see her for what she is.

41 posted on 06/01/2005 1:31:54 PM PDT by Guenevere
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42 posted on 06/01/2005 1:34:22 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
This child's violent tendencies will continue. No matter what they do with her, there will be more victims in her path.
43 posted on 06/01/2005 1:38:01 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: neverdem

I just noticed the NYTimes wants people to pay $2.95 to read some of their articles. You've GOT to be kidding me. Who in their right mind would PAY to read the news?!

Especially from them!


44 posted on 06/01/2005 1:40:32 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: murdoog
Is anyone else surprised that you can kill someone with a steak knife?

You could even kill someone with a chop stick if it penetrates their heart. And real, real fast.

45 posted on 06/01/2005 1:44:46 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: neverdem
Even younger. This kid is going to be screwed royally when he grows up.

Police: Jealous Boy, 7, Fatally Beats Baby With Two-By-Four http://www.local6.com/news/4556339/detail.html
46 posted on 06/01/2005 1:45:11 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: Little Ray
I've got friends like that, and a couple who have kids like that, its scary.

You begin to see psychopathic tendencies.

The worst thing, watching a kid, who begans to do wrong, but thinks his punishment, is some kind of holy suffering being done, out of reasons that they make up in their head.

Down the road, same kid thinks all sorts of crimes are okay, while feeling persecuted.

I think this is part of the reason some of these psychos think they really are jesus and make no connection to the wrong they do and the consequences.

47 posted on 06/01/2005 1:50:14 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Nam Vet

Actually, my older sisters got the belt for smart mouthing at the wrong time.
Being the third child, I learned by their mistakes. Being humble and begging forgiveness goes a long way.


48 posted on 06/01/2005 2:04:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Buy Dominos Pizza-save a life (and please tip the driver))
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To: Guenevere

>>I sustained a split face with broken teeth, and 3 plastic surgerie operations when I was only 10!<<

Oh Geez Oh MAN!!!!!


49 posted on 06/01/2005 2:07:29 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Buy Dominos Pizza-save a life (and please tip the driver))
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To: Nita Nupress

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50 posted on 06/01/2005 2:08:44 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Buy Dominos Pizza-save a life (and please tip the driver))
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I know of cases where schools turned kids into monsters because those schools were turned into 'Zero Tolerance' prisons.

Where were the parents while this was going on? Sorry. No matter how strict the school is, the parents and the kid are primarily responsible for "turning kids into monsters."

Kids are in school less than 7 hours a day, just 190 days a year. And they don't get there until they are 5 or 6 years old. Put the "blame" where it belongs.

51 posted on 06/01/2005 2:14:34 PM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: Paloma_55

absolutely right


52 posted on 06/01/2005 2:15:22 PM PDT by Rhiannon
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To: MSSC6644
Where were the parents while this was going on? Sorry. No matter how strict the school is, the parents and the kid are primarily responsible for "turning kids into monsters."

Busy as work paying the taxes created by government.

Kids are in school less than 7 hours a day, just 190 days a year. And they don't get there until they are 5 or 6 years old. Put the "blame" where it belongs.

If you want to stick your head in teh sand and ignore the problems created by schools in this country, go right ahead and do it, but I am not going too.

53 posted on 06/01/2005 2:25:09 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Nick Danger
He thought, "Wait 'til your father comes home" was the worst possible thing. By the time the spanking comes, the kid doesn't connect it with what he did.

I'll have to disagree with that one.

My father never had to spank me, but my mother would say, "Just you wait!"

The psychological dreading of the coming whipping was worse than the whipping itself! I had no problem connecting the whipping with the infraction.

Why are kids like that, though? Pop just had to look at me and whatever I was doing that was wrong stopped immediately. I knew very well that my mother would fillet me, yet I always tried her.

Never understood why I did that.


54 posted on 06/01/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by rdb3 (Yeah, but what's it spelled backwards?)
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To: netmilsmom
#49...I was hurrying when I wrote this, and didn't quite get my point across.

This friend of mine was always a bit sneaky....sly....almost something you can't quite name.

Now, surely I was stupid to stand behind her while she played with her dad's golf clubs....

..but she was a bit cunning....
...and the whack of that club sent me to the hospital.

Like your daughter, I was very trusting...

My point, if your instinct says....No!
..then stick with it.

55 posted on 06/01/2005 2:26:37 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Nick Danger

""Wait 'til your father comes home" was the worst possible thing. By the time the spanking comes, the kid doesn't connect it with what he did."

That certainly applies to my dog. But any kid over toddler can connect the swats.


56 posted on 06/01/2005 2:27:55 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Guenevere

Honestly, that's how this neighbor girl is.
She does things like whisper to her mother while staring at me. It just bothers me.

Thanks for your experience backing my instincts.


57 posted on 06/01/2005 2:36:33 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Buy Dominos Pizza-save a life (and please tip the driver))
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To: Paul C. Jesup
If you want to stick your head in teh sand and ignore the problems created by schools in this country, go right ahead and do it, but I am not going too.

I didn't say schools are not in trouble or that they don't cause problems. I said that the responsiblity for kids being "monsters" or acting like "monsters" belongs to the parents and the kids before it belongs to the schools.

58 posted on 06/01/2005 2:40:22 PM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: netmilsmom
#57..Hope it helps!

A caring mom will know her children and the God given protective instincts will kick in..

Gently keep persuading your husband and I'm sure he'll come around.
Dad's can be very protective too....

I believe some children are little sociopaths at a very early age....sadly.

59 posted on 06/01/2005 2:51:34 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Nita Nupress
I just noticed the NYTimes wants people to pay $2.95 to read some of their articles. You've GOT to be kidding me. Who in their right mind would PAY to read the news?!

That is supposed to start in September, IIRC, for complete access including their OpEd columnists. I'm registered, but I wouldn't pay them for anything if I could avoid it. I can't imagine paying for Dowd, Krugman, Herbert or Rich. I think will be a flop, because they will lose advertizing numbers on the net. Like you said, "Especially from them!" I may look Brooks or Tierney on Google News. I found Brooks in a Carolina paper and retired Safire in a Houston paper on the net. You can find a lot of old articles they would charge you for on the net for free.

I found 2 jobs out of the Times' classified section. So I never say never.

60 posted on 06/01/2005 3:01:06 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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