[Alia]

I guess it depends on your issue. In CA, during Prop 187 (illegal immigration reform) I came across a hot bed of nuns in the Santa Rosa area who'd been "under the table" getting green cards for illegals. That royally peeved me. And then meeting another group of RC nuns in the south Bay who worked and worshipped at the alter of a feminist and also Amnesty International. I found this to be very offensive.

Nonetheless what you say about ECUSA is very true. And part of the reason it all remains a mess is because ECUSA is very mushy about what their real agenda is; therefore, many parishioners are very unclear about what is going on underfoot in the ECUSA and "part ECUSA/Part Not-ECUSA" churches they attend.

At least the RC nuns got in my face directly with what they believe and what they support. You got a point, jeclny.

[BelegStrongbow]

My own take on the ECUSA issue is that their canons and ordinances still look orthodox. They simply ignore them, so one is forced to look not at what is supposed to govern that church but what actually happens. That's the fraud, IMHO, and why so many people have remained so faithful to them so long.