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What's Love Got to Do With It? Everything.
MSNBC ^ | May 31, 2005 | By Barbara Kantrowitz

Posted on 05/31/2005 12:32:34 PM PDT by COUNTrecount

NewsweekJune 6 issue - For the true commitment-phobe, living among the Na people in southwestern China would be paradise. The Na are the only known society that completely shuns marriage. Instead, says Stephanie Coontz in her new book, "Marriage, a History," brothers help sisters raise the children they conceive through casual sex with nonfamily members (incest is strictly taboo). Will we all be like the Na in the future? With divorce and illegitimacy rates still high, the institution of marriage seems headed for obsolescence in much of the world. Coontz, a family historian at Evergreen State College in Washington, doesn't proclaim the extinction of marriage, but she does argue that dramatic changes in family life over the past 30 years represent an unprecedented social revolution—and there's no turning back. The only hope is accepting these changes and figuring out how to work with them. The decline of marriage "doesn't have to spell catastrophe," Coontz says. "We can make marriages better and make nonmarriages work as well."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antitheist; homosexualagenda; marriage; themostcorruptstate
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1 posted on 05/31/2005 12:32:34 PM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Well, if we are comparing our society to that of one where people earn an average of $1 a day, work by hand in agriculture 12-16 hours a day and just having a B/W TV in your mud shack is considered middle class...


2 posted on 05/31/2005 12:36:00 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Didn't Margaret Meade write similar crap about the Samoan people 80 years ago?


3 posted on 05/31/2005 12:37:10 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: COUNTrecount
the institution of marriage seems headed for obsolescence in much of the world. Coontz,

Except, for homosexuals; they are the only people in the world for whom marriage is not an outdated concept.

4 posted on 05/31/2005 12:42:40 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: You can get more reliable information in a beauty shop, than from the media)
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To: COUNTrecount
The only hope is accepting these changes and figuring out how to work with them.

Don't tell me. Since the author is a woman, what needs to happen is men have to do more of the house work.

5 posted on 05/31/2005 12:43:24 PM PDT by DManA
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To: COUNTrecount

Evergreen Statre College is a joke also. My cousin got a "degree" there for burning a music CD. He didn't create any of the music on it, he just burned the disc. The neo-Luddites that run the show over there proclaimed it a minor miracle and gave him a BA.


6 posted on 05/31/2005 12:45:11 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: COUNTrecount
More pap from the anti-Christian crowd dressed up as analysis.

Anti-Christian, you say? Yes, I say, after all is stripped away, that is what this is about.

7 posted on 05/31/2005 12:45:40 PM PDT by Pete
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To: 2banana
Well, if we are comparing our society to that of one where people earn an average of $1 a day, work by hand in agriculture 12-16 hours a day and just having a B/W TV in your mud shack is considered middle class...

Just keep in mind that that's exactly the sort of society in which the institution of marriage originally evolved.

8 posted on 05/31/2005 12:46:11 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Semper Paratus
Leftists are continuously busy trying to find some obscure location, small group of people, or even collection of animals where their silly ideas have been adopted without ending in catastrophe.

That fool's errand successfully distracts them from the near universal failure of their plans in the real world.

9 posted on 05/31/2005 12:49:01 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Marraige is becoming more meaningless IMHO is because of what is happening with families in general...

If you are not planning on having a family why get married?
Although the bible does condemn fornication, you don't have to be married to have a commited love....


10 posted on 05/31/2005 12:51:57 PM PDT by missyme (Tell it like it is!)
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If you are not planning on having a family why get married?

This is exactly what I told my 75 year old mother when whe told me of her wedding plans. Three years later and in a miserable marriage, she wished she would have listened to me.

11 posted on 05/31/2005 1:02:31 PM PDT by colorcountry (To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable. ....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Semper Paratus

This sounds like the "Ik" a supposed tribe in Africa wherein everyone is simply beastly to everyone else. It eventually proved to be fictional.


12 posted on 05/31/2005 1:05:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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So how far back in the Stone Age are the Na people and why are we supposed to use them for role models?


13 posted on 05/31/2005 1:05:39 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: arthurus
This sounds like the "Ik" a supposed tribe in Africa wherein everyone is simply beastly to everyone else. It eventually proved to be fictional.

Wasn't that a lousy movie starring Richard Dreyfuss.

14 posted on 05/31/2005 1:09:47 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: colorcountry

Agreed..


15 posted on 05/31/2005 1:10:40 PM PDT by missyme (Tell it like it is!)
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To: Triggerhippie

The Evergreen College mention was a red flag for me too. A girl from my year in high school went there. She was a very grumpy, bigoted, ultra-liberal. She spent the four years in high school constantly bashing and ridiculing Catholicism (it was a Catholic school). She was especially peeved by the Church's audacity to condemn abortion. She said that there was no moral difference between killing a plant, an animal, and a human, and since we kill plants there's no reason not to kill humans (both unborn and born!). I did not keep in touch with her after graduation, but I can't imagine she got much better at Evergreen.


16 posted on 05/31/2005 1:24:30 PM PDT by sassbox
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The Evergreen College mention was a red flag for me too.

How can we forget Evergreen's most famous alumna, Miss Lewinsky?

SD

17 posted on 05/31/2005 1:37:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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actually, I believe Monica went to Lewis and Clark College - which consistently tops the Princeton Review's list of least religious colleges.


18 posted on 05/31/2005 1:38:56 PM PDT by sassbox
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To: COUNTrecount

Stephanie Coontz is an aging 60s Marxist, a former member of SDS at the University of Washington. I remember her well.


19 posted on 05/31/2005 1:52:37 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

SDS??


20 posted on 05/31/2005 2:00:12 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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