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To: xVIer

This whole strep suis thing has me bumfuzzled. I'm not at all sure what we're seeing here.

On one hand, I suppose it could be. But it seems to me that a lot of people who farm pigs could have been exposed WITHOUT DISEASE to the bacteria, and have acquired natural immunity. And the pigs, too.

Frankly, I think this is Avian Flu. No way do I know of that strep suis, a bacteria, can recombine with Avian flu. Totally different bugs, but I guess anything is possible, and I could certainly be wrong.

This is, to me, an Avian Flu diathesis moved into swine, with accompanying DIC (thus explaining the bleeding) in human cases. The fact that strep suis bugs are also around means diddly to me, they've been around and not been killers, for decades, in this area.

And when Avian Flu moves into the swine, then it's just one step to humans.

Again, I could be wrong. But I don't think this has anything to do with Ebola or strep suis. JUST MY OPINION.

Just my opinion.


726 posted on 08/01/2005 4:56:06 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne; Kelly_2000
But it seems to me that a lot of people who farm pigs could have been exposed WITHOUT DISEASE to the bacteria, and have acquired natural immunity. And the pigs, too.

That is what my father said. Because he is an EMT tech for work, he has to be tested and vaccinated all the time. The doctor likes to joke that some of his past exposers as a hog farmer probably better inoculated then the vaccine will! It is amazing what close contact with domestic animals exposes you too. If this was really strep, then most of the outbreak would be in town, not in the farms. I know that the dividing line between the two is blurry in China, but that would seem to argue more that what ever this is, it isn't the type of strep they keep talking about.

Once again, we have a disease that is not acting like it should. I wish we had more information, but I strongly suspect that it isn't strep suies.

728 posted on 08/01/2005 7:42:19 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Judith Anne
Thanks for the pings. I've been away and appreciate the catch up. Just heard John Loftus speaking of the China 'avian-mystery'. He spoke of Drs. being arrested and his sources. Just might lurk here. On a chilling note he mentioned the migratory bird problem as having maasive potential for continental spread. He mentioned Siberia by name. Lo and behold...here's a news clip: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02374313.htm

Alerting humanitarians to emergencies

Russian region culls birds after flu outbreak

02 Aug 2005 11:16:49 GMT

Source: Reuters

MOSCOW, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Russia's Siberian region of Novosibirsk said on Tuesday it will slaughter 65,000 birds in 13 locations as more cases were confirmed on Tuesday of a strain of bird flu dangerous to humans.

"It has been decided to slaughter all hens, ducks, geese and turkeys at farms where the virus had been detected. The farms' owners will be paid compensation for all the birds that are killed and provided with safe poultry meat and eggs at a discount price," a Novosibirsk administration spokeswoman said.

The H5N1 strain of bird flu which can spread to humans has so far been officially confirmed in three Siberian regions -- Novosibirsk, Altai and Tyumen, and is thought to have been brought to Russia by migrant birds from China.

The first cases were confirmed in Novosibirsk on Friday, followed by Altai on Monday. An outbreak of the virus was also confirmed in a village in the south of Tyumen, the Agriculture Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

So far no cases of humans being infected with bird flu had been registered.

The Altai Region, located between Novosibirsk and Kazakhstan, also announced a cull of all birds at private farms where the virus had been found, the regional administration said in a statement without giving details.

It also said Russia's veterinary service is considering a ban on wild bird hunting in Siberia, the Urals and the country's Far East this year because of the bird flu outbreak.

The hunting season in these territories, which cover most of Russia, normally starts at the end of August.

Bird flu comes in different strains, such as H5 and H7, which have nine different subtypes. The H5N1 subtype is very harmful and can be passed from birds to humans, although there have been no cases of human to human transmission.

VIRUS SEEN SPREADING

More than 50 people have died in Asia from H5N1 since late 2003, raising fears it could mutate and trigger a global epidemic.

A senior Russian veterinary official said on Monday that chances were "very high" that the virus could spread to other parts of the country and even to the European Union.

He said that wild birds could also have carried the virus to Kazakhstan, where last month death of poultry was reported in the northern Pavlodar region bordering Russia. The presence of the virus there has not yet been officially confirmed.

Russian media said on Tuesday that many large poultry farms in the regions close to Novosibirsk were taking extraordinary measures against bird flu. Veterinary experts were investigating unexplained deaths of birds in various Siberian regions.

Russia's growing bird flu crisis could drive up imports of poultry. Russia, which annually consumes more than 2 million tonnes of poultry meat, already imports more than half its needs. The main suppliers are the United States, Brazil and the European Union.

735 posted on 08/02/2005 8:08:10 PM PDT by Covenantor
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