Posted on 05/29/2005 1:28:15 PM PDT by wagglebee
Okay, I must have misunderstood you.
Some of my posts have unfortunately come across that way. You are obviously a sincere believer with a deep love of the Lord. If there was condescension on my part that you sensed, it was my inability to communicate thoughts subtly and effectively. Please accept my genuine best wishes.
I do not share the theology you describe.
It was a word study. I hadn't made any distinction between Jew or Gentile, neither was any intended. Come to think of it though, these types of subjects (arks, temples, relics of a Biblical nature) seem to attract more Christians than anyone else.
It's not "rude" if it's true!!
This scripture speaks of ALL articles being taken (ALL means the ark also).
Your scripture about the return speaks only of the vessels.
I like your comments about Mary...they are right on IMO. Mary is just a lady...a good lady. No WAY she is the ark.
.....what did you, Prod, think of Maya Morgenstern's portrayal of Mary in The Passion of the Christ? A very human Mary she was, and heartbreaking.
...She was superb. Being Jewish helped her immensely in her stunning portrayal of Mary, the sinless blessed mother of Our Lord. As I understand it, Maya Morgenstern had a seminal creative impact on Gibson and his company in the creation of the Passion of the Christ, e.g., the incredible scene where the Theotokos gathers the Precious Blood of Christ with her hair, while Jesus is imprisoned below. It is a foreshadowing of Mary's role as intercessor for all mankind - "die Vrouwe van aller Volkerung" after the famous Dutch painting of that name. Christians owe massive respect to Maya Morgenstern for all this. I'm sure that Mel does.
Thank you for your comment. You're right. Christians do view Mary as "greatly blessed", but definitely not the "Queen of Heaven" or "co-Mediator."
It seems the Lord, Himself, anticipated this Romanist travesty by continuing to refer to her as "Woman" rather than "Mother." He could easily have done otherwise. For instance, consider the instructions given to John and Mary at His death:
In John 19 -- 26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son, (context shows He is referring to the way she should regard John)" 27and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
At the wedding feast of Cana Mary tried to advise the Lord. His reply was a gentle rebuke:
4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
In the midst of His ministry, Mary and our Lord's brothers tried to take Him aside for rest and recuperation, yet He flatly turned them down.
Matthew 12:49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
I guess the Reformers like Luther, Calvin and Wesley either didn't have the benefit of Jack Chick's insight, or else they disagreed.
Chttp://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ460.HTM
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ95.HTM
Now, I have heard the arguement that Luther and Calvin were trained as Catholics and were somehow still being "tricked", but Wesley was born two centuries after the Reformation began and his background had no Catholic influence at all. What is also hard for the anti-Catholics to come to terms with is the fact that all three of these men spoke and wrote about Marian beliefs centuries before the anti-Marian crowd claims that Marian beliefs were "invented" by the "Romanists."
Finally, please cite for me, chapter and verse, any reference whatsoever to any person other than Jesus being a son or daughter of Mary.
46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."
By the way, He refused to meet with them and suggested they "get lost" when they presumed to interfere with His ministry.
Another:
Matthew 13:55 "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? s?
Postscript -- No, it's not Judas Isacariot.
Mark 3:21...Jesus' family thought he ws out of his mind. They went to take charge of him. I suppose Mary is one of those who thought he was out of his mind because she arrives in V. 31 presumably to "take charge of him" along with his brothers.
Then, a few verses later Jesus seems to deflate his earthly familial ties. "Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."
However, NONE of them is ever said to have the same mother as Jesus.
http://www.trosch.org/the/brothers_ptr.html
Any thoughts on Luther, Calvin and Wesley?
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