Ark of the Covenant's discovery imminent?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 5/28/05 | Dr. Kelly Hollowell

[dglang]

The Ark of teh covenant is a very specific THING constructed according to Gods Plan for a very specific purpose.

To use the same term (ark of teh covenant) to describe something else is to add confusion to the issuse and cause people to be led astray due to not knowing exactly what God requires as propitiation for sin, wht he makes a specific requirement, and how HE provided for that ultimate sacrifice to be made.

Unfortunately, the early Roman catholic church substituted it's own traditional holidays in place of the commanded feast days thereby causing people to lose the knowledge and understanding of Gods commands regarding the propitiation.

By ignoring the types of Christs sacrifice, the church itself caused the loss of understanding of exactly what Christ has done and why he did it.

Jeus accused the Jews of substituting their own traditions for the laws of God. The catholic church is guilty of exactly the same transgression.

Christ alone is the atonement for everyones sins, there is no co-redeemer or co-redeemtrix.

[Manic_Episode]

I find Ron Wyatts theory very plausible.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ark-of-the-covenant-02.htm

[Knitting A Conundrum]

You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to discuss with you.

[Zechariah11]

Exactly.

[safisoft]

Isaiah said the saints from the Old Testament were waiting in Paradise for the Savior to come.

Chapter and verse please.

Please be careful how you sling around your anachronistic idioms, it is that which makes for silly arguments.

[Bear_Slayer]

Jones' plan is simple. It is to drill a borehole into the chamber containing the Ark, drop a pin-camera in and reveal the historic treasure to a watching world. didn't Geraldo do this one already?

[Bear_Slayer]

Would this also apply with the name Levin?

[safisoft]

Yikes. It was a comparision of the symbolism between "treasures on earth" vs. "treasures in heaven".

The problem is that the symbolism has been used for centuries to belittle Jews. A principle of good hermeneutics says that you must always start with face value. The danger with drawing too heavily upon symbolic interpretations is that one can make up any meaning.

Read Justin Martyr's "Letter to Trypho" (c.120 CE) and you will see what I mean. In that, this noted "church father" claims that the 'Old Testament' is merely a picture of the wickedness of Jews, and that the very things that make them distinct are in fact G-d punishment upon them. Luther made similar atrocious statements. This satanic 'theology' infects many of us, so that even our terminology and our idioms reflect our subtle disregard for G-d's chosen people. Like CyberAnt's use of "born again" in relationship to the 'Old Testament'. What kind of anachronistic tripe is that? Where was it ever commanded to "raise your hand", "walk an aisle", or "make a public confession" to "get saved" in the 'New Testament' much less the 'Old Testament'?

Let's be clear: SOME of the sons of Israel rebelled. Nationally, they were rebuked. Nationally, they were partially restored after the Babylonian captivity. Nationally, they will yet be restored completely...

That is, unless the Torah and the Prophets are just symbols to you...

[Zechariah11]

I understand your zeal but you've got to handle Scripture a bit better. That quote from Isaiah is way off. The slaying of unbelieving priests who ministered is off as well (eg. the long service of Samuel's reprobate sons, the long service of Aaron's reprobate sons as well -- Nathan and Abihu).

When referring to the Old Testament believers, I would defer from using faith in "Jesus" since the Promised Seed was not known by that term. In fact, "Jesus" is a reference to our Lord that is far too often used without deference. It certainly was/is His name but it was not tossed about freely and with the familiarity we tend to do today. The Lord was addressed with the honorific, "Lord," "Teacher," or "Son of David." In his martyrdom, Stephen used "Lord Jesus" in prayer. When "Jesus" by itself is used in the Scripture narrative, it is often referring to our Lord, in his humanity, doing something. But the days of His humility are past. He is in ressurrected glory -- and -- btw (for the blaspheming Mary worshippers) -- there is no other (ie. his saved mother) eclipsing that special divine status.

[Oberon]

Check out his research on the Ark as well as the site of Calgary.

The location of Calgary is, I believe, already well-known.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

"...as well as the site of Calgary."

I know exactly where Calgary is located - in Alberta south of Edmonton.

[Oberon]

Wagglebee, the events surrounding this particular ark, i.e. the fall of the first Temple, happened many centuries before Christ's arrival. If Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant, then an acacia wood box was the Ark of the Original Covenant. The story of its origin is found in Exodus chapter 25, verses 10 through 22, and is as follows:

The Ark

10 "Have them make a chest of acacia wood—two and a half cubits long, a cubit and a half wide, and a cubit and a half high. [a] 11 Overlay it with pure gold, both inside and out, and make a gold molding around it. 12 Cast four gold rings for it and fasten them to its four feet, with two rings on one side and two rings on the other. 13 Then make poles of acacia wood and overlay them with gold. 14 Insert the poles into the rings on the sides of the chest to carry it. 15 The poles are to remain in the rings of this ark; they are not to be removed. 16 Then put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. 17 "Make an atonement cover [b] of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. [c] 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. 22 There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.

[DouglasKC]

The bible says that Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, not the new covenant itself...an important distinction:"
Yet, an erroneous distinction.

I disagree. Let me post another scripture:

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The bible says right here that Jesus Christ IS the mediator of the new covenant. The word translated "mediator" is:

mesites
Thayer Definition:
1) one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant
2) a medium of communication, arbitrator

In other words, Jesus the Christ was the one who ratified the new covenant.

A covenant is an agreement between two or more parties. The new covenant is between God the father and the houses of Israel and Judah:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The bible even defines exactly what the new covenant IS:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The new agreement, the new covenant, is that God will write his laws in our hearts and minds. The terms of the old covenant, the ten commandments, were written on stone. The terms of the new covenant, the ten commandments, are written in our hearts and minds so that we are able to keep them spiritually and physically.

IF (and it's a big if) the ark of the covenant in Revelation 11 symbolizes any person then it symbolizes all Christians. The ark of the covenant carried the ten commandments, God's laws. Christians carry God's laws, the ten commandments, written within. But I think it symbolizes just how important are God's law.

[pjd]

If the Arc can only be carried by Levites, if even High Priests who were not Holy enough to touch or even be in the same room with the Arc would be struck dead, then how can it have been possible for the Arc to be moved to exotic locations, especially by invading armies?

Can somebody explain this?

[television is just wrong]

(sarcasm), I thought Indiana Jones found it already.(sarcasm off)

[webstersII]

"the sacrificial worship system will be terminated by the Prince of 9:26"

If you read Dan. Chapter 9 together to keep the context, it becomes very clear in Dan. 9:24-26 that the Prince of 9:26 is the Messiah. He came to terminate the sacrifices and that's what Jesus did. This prophecy has already been fulfilled.

[Oberon]

Jesus was perfect so he could spend eternity with a Jewish mother.

"Jesus, why couldn't you have been a podiatrist?"
"I love you Ma, but we've been over this. I had a job to do."
"Well, couldn't you have been the Savior AND a podiatrist?"
"Ma, rescuing the world from sin and death is a full-time job."
"I should say so, bubbeleh! You didn't even take time to eat!"

On the upside, in heaven you never run out of knishes and schmaltz.

In all seriousness, what did you, Prod, think of Maya Morgenstern's portrayal of Mary in The Passion of the Christ? A very human Mary she was, and heartbreaking.

[Oberon]

in Alberta south of Edmonton.

See? Modern archaeologists have that one knocked!

[Zechariah11]

Jesus was perfect so he could spend eternity with a Jewish mother.

He could also dance the Polka if He so wished. He could write comic strips for an eternity. It doesn't mean He does or will. He, ALONE, is seated at the right hand of God. He, ALONE, is the Mediator. He, AlONE, interceds for believers on earth.

[Oberon]

You don't need to convince me, Zech. I'm no devotee of the cult of Mary.

I do, however, try to maintain a sense of humor. Take a break and have a chuckle; it's good for you.