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To: Betaille

Don't worry, they'll be given another opportunity to correct this. And another. And another. As may times as it takes to get the result the elites want.


14 posted on 05/29/2005 1:17:28 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

Not sure about that after Britain votes. Doesn't the Netherlands have an upcoming vote too?


27 posted on 05/29/2005 1:23:26 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: John Jorsett

"Don't worry, they'll be given another opportunity to correct this. And another. And another. As may times as it takes to get the result the elites want."

This is somewhat similar to the ratification of constitutional amendments in the U.S. The Equal Rights amendment was voted on many times by different states - over almost a decade, until some began to withdraw ratification and chaos ensued. Time was extended by act of congress, but that time expired too.


161 posted on 05/29/2005 2:38:46 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: John Jorsett; Betaille; Irish_Thatcherite; Colosis; SunkenCiv; USAfearsnobody; Cacique; ...
Precisely.

It's like the Treaty of Nice.

You people in Ireland don't like it?

Well, let's just have another vote and see if we get different results.

In this case, I suppose they can punt it over to the French parliament, which is another potential avenue for approval.

In fact, if you compare the number of countries in the EU who approved this new Constitution by democratic plebiscite with those that did so by parliamentary procedure, you'd quickly realize that the actual people living in continental Europe aren't quite so keen on the foundational structure underpinning this pan-continental political scheme-which was set forth at Maastricht at the beginning of the 1990s-as their feckless, corrupt leaders seem to be.

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

301 posted on 05/29/2005 7:48:50 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("What in the world happened to Gerard's tag-line?")
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To: John Jorsett

Russia has much to learn from the European experience - and not only Russia but the rest of the world. But there is a big difference! The emerging Russian states that rose from the ashes of the old USSR is not fired up with same ultra-nationalism that motivates the individual European nations that comprises the present day Federation of United Europe. The Americans was the first nation in history to successfully put up a federal government and the American experience was widely copied in the constitutions of the world during the last two centuries. But a federation form of government is totally a new concept of government in world politics and in this respect, Europe leads and has much to teach the world. The difference between a federal government and a federation is the degree of control the federal government has over the member states. Generally, a federal government exercises a greater degree of control over the state government than a federation. In a federation, the exact opposite prevails. In a federation, the federal government has a much less degree of control over the state governments than a federal government. In a federation, the principle of equality of all member states is the most overriding concern. How unity could be achieved when each of the member states in a federation are completely sovereign and are endeavoring to increase such sovereignty and independence as the decades pass by is the principle problem of a government organized under the aegis of federationalism. In a federal government it is generally conceded that the federal government is supreme over the state government although the state government is given wide latitude to conduct its affairs independently in accordance with the Constitution.

Although Russia has much to learn from the European experience, the situation in Russia is vastly different from the situation in Europe. The Russian Constitution, in my opinion, is adequate for the needs of the entire former Russian empire.


392 posted on 05/30/2005 5:43:49 PM PDT by Ramonchito
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To: John Jorsett
"Don't worry, they'll be given another opportunity to correct this. And another. And another. As may times as it takes to get the result the elites want."

Ain't that the sad truth.

406 posted on 05/31/2005 7:32:46 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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