[Mark was here]

No state has the right to deny a human being the means of self-defense.

States have the "right" to do whatever the people will put up with. People should not support a state that threatens their right to self defense.

[D-fendr]

States have the "right" to do whatever the people will put up with.

That's the beauty of our constitution. It defines "state" and its "rights" quite differently.

[B Knotts]

I disagree. I'm speaking in terms of morality. The Third Reich, for instance, had no right to murder millions of Jews, Gypsies and other "undesirables." Nor did the U.S.S.R. have the right to starve millions. Nor do the Chinese have the right to suppress religious freedom.

The legitimate rights of the state have limits.

In my opinion, denying people reasonable means of self-defense goes beyond these rights.