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Linux vs Microsoft XP: Optimizations Make Linux the Killer Desktop
Consulting Times ^ | 23 May 2005 | Tom Adelstein

Posted on 05/26/2005 8:45:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: ShadowAce

Sorry, I work with Linux daily. It has a LONG way to go before it's a desktop of choice outside of Geekland. The vast majority of everyday users are like my mother who has enough trouble handling the Mac OS. Let's not even get into the issue of drivers. If you want to talk web server or other sort of backend application, that's a very different question. But desktop? No way, no how. Not yet and probably not for a very long time. Now Tiger, that's a *nix OS for the masses, but OMG, Apple charges for it! They must be Evil Incarnate, like Bill!


21 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:09 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: ShadowAce

Sorry, I work with Linux daily. It has a LONG way to go before it's a desktop of choice outside of Geekland. The vast majority of everyday users are like my mother who has enough trouble handling the Mac OS. Let's not even get into the issue of drivers. If you want to talk web server or other sort of backend application, that's a very different question. But desktop? No way, no how. Not yet and probably not for a very long time. Now Tiger, that's a *nix OS for the masses, but OMG, Apple charges for it! They must be Evil Incarnate, like Bill!


22 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:16 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Asphalt
Would it be a contradiction to use Mozzilla with outlook express. I do not like Thunderbird.
23 posted on 05/26/2005 9:09:33 AM PDT by since1868
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To: ShadowAce
OK, for all you Linux gurus out there...

I'm a long-time Windows user, an (experienced, not paper) MCSE, and have just enough UNIX/Linux experience to know that I absolutely hate vi. I'm very comfortable with a command-line interface, having cut my computer teeth in the DOS 5.0 / Windows 3.1 era.

My question is this: Which (free) Linux distro is best for desktops today? The best installation experience I ever had with Linux was the old Corel Linux. It installed from CD, autodetected everything in my Dell PC, and was actually able to connect to our Windows NT LAN with no configuration help other than a host name. I have not been able to get any other Linux (mostly Manrake) to browse our network since then.

I'd love to get more experience with Liunx, but it has been a pretty frustrating subject for me thus far. ...and I'm no spring chicken on a PC.

24 posted on 05/26/2005 9:09:51 AM PDT by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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To: Asphalt
Really, I can't understand everyone's grudge against MicroSoft and Bill Gates.

I still remember what they pulled on the guys who did Stacker so I appreciate some of the grudge.

So far as I'm concerned, I'd look into a different OS that had some benefits, but if it can't run the games that I want, I won't be using it at home.

25 posted on 05/26/2005 9:12:18 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Trampled by Lambs

I've recently resized my primary XP partition to use only half of the C:\drive so I can install Linspire 5.0. I really want to try it but am hesitant to spend 50 bucks on something I may not like or can't use because of driver issues, hardware compatibilty, etc.... Wish there was a trial download someplace.


26 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you only knew the powerrrrr of the Tagline.)
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To: ShadowAce

Linux, for most people is still over-rated. On all 5 computers I have at home, I partition the disks and install Windows XP, and Linux. I have a Gentoo install, Redhat, and a couple of Mandrakes. In my opinion, its still just too much for the average user. Too much for the experienced user still. Over the last 3 years, it has gotten better, no doubt, but there still needs to be some work on it.
BTW, as for speed, on all my machines, both Linux and XP run at about the same speed, depending on the apps, so I don't buy into it that Linux is usually faster than XP.


27 posted on 05/26/2005 9:15:09 AM PDT by Paradox (Mixing metaphors like a bartender mixing concrete.)
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To: TChris
Check out Knoppix. It runs from the CD, so you don't have to install it if you don't want to, and it'll autodetect just about everything in your box.

For more "traditional" distros, I've heard good things about MEPIS, Linspire, and I use Fedora. No problems at all.

28 posted on 05/26/2005 9:15:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: since1868

i use it. Don't love it, but it works, i was using the free version of Eudora for a while which is far better than either of the two you mentioned, but one day it stopped working and wouldn't work again. You should try it. It is an excellent program once you have it running, much better than any other mail program I have ever seen.


29 posted on 05/26/2005 9:21:48 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: CasearianDaoist
I think it iiis fair to say the MS spreadsheet franchise is save from this entry.

What problems exactly have you had with Calc? And what was the last release you tried?

30 posted on 05/26/2005 9:22:30 AM PDT by bigLusr (Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur)
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To: ShadowAce

So, if I have a computer and what to put Linux on it (I am just a regular joe who wants to surf the web, read email, and use Word and Excel) is there a Linux that I an download and install easily? Will the spreadsheet product read excel files?


31 posted on 05/26/2005 9:25:51 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Asphalt
I can't understand everyone's grudge against MicroSoft and Bill Gates. Personally, other than preffering Mozilla over IE, I think their stuff is better than everyone else's.

In the majority of the cases out their, you're absolutely right. Office is, for example, still the runaway best for productivity suites in terms of integration and customization. Yes, there are alternatives that are file compatible, but are they going to use my VisualBasic macros? Nope.

Personally, I don't have much problem with their software, other than rampant bloat and interface changes from one version to the next. Both NT and 2000 servers, for which I am responsible at my company, have been very stable. The only damage or serious delays I have ever experienced have been due to hardware or network failures, or my own "oops"es.

What I do object to is Micro$oft's business ethics. They've been convicted in court, for pete's sake. As far as I can tell, it hasn't changed their stripes one iota.

32 posted on 05/26/2005 9:26:16 AM PDT by TChris (Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. - Ann C)
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To: ShadowAce
Thanks. While Linux may give one the exhilaration of being part of an active "free software" movement against Microsoft and Apple, it otherwise just doesn't make much sense on the desktop.

Limited compatibility, with both hardware and software. Sure you can run some network analysis tools if that's your thing, but most people want to do Quicken and play games, something they're doing just fine with what they already have. At work, they want advanced peripheral support, from giant multifunction devices to VTC equipment. Linux just doesn't offer equivalent access to all those tools and feature sets, and being cloneware by nature, never probably will.
33 posted on 05/26/2005 9:29:22 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ShadowAce
Thanks for posting this. I just downloaded the NVU source to build on my Slackware desktop.

As far as all this O/S heckling: I say use what you are most comfortable with and you like the most. Personally, I have both Linux and Windows PC's at home. One O/S is strong in some areas and the other is strong in other areas. For example, it's hard to beat Linux for fire-walling, web serving, mail, and other Internet applications. But Windows is strong for gamers and the myriad of available business applications. Each has its advantages and disadvantages.
34 posted on 05/26/2005 9:30:09 AM PDT by Adiemus
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To: Rodney King
So, if I have a computer and what to put Linux on it (I am just a regular joe who wants to surf the web, read email, and use Word and Excel) is there a Linux that I an download and install easily?

Yes, there is. I prefer Fedora, but only because I've used Red Hat since the earliest versions. Fedora installs without any reboot until the install is finished, and it's a no-brainer. I've heard good things about MEPIS, Xandros, and Linspire, but have not tried any of them. I've heard they all install easier than Windows.

Will the spreadsheet product read excel files?

OpenOffice.org will read virtually any Excel spreadsheet you put in front of it. Due to the proprietary nature of Excel, though, macros may give you some issues. OOo will also save into Excel format.

35 posted on 05/26/2005 9:34:26 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
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I got some 8-track tapes you might be interested in...

36 posted on 05/26/2005 9:35:12 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: mnehrling
I'll be interested in your thoughts on it. I'll be downloading and testing it tonight too.
37 posted on 05/26/2005 9:41:18 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: Asphalt
To me stability, reliability, and control are worth enough that I bought a playstation for gaming and put a real os on my hardware ;)
38 posted on 05/26/2005 9:41:50 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

That's one way to do it.


39 posted on 05/26/2005 9:44:58 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
If it wasn't for games, I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat. Unfortuately, if you enjoy PC gaming as I do, Windows is the only choice. Some companies do release linux ports of their games but it's not that common.

Ditto for me also.

40 posted on 05/26/2005 9:47:32 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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