Posted on 05/25/2005 1:50:26 PM PDT by forty_years
The people worship a pagan moon god who's prophet says wants followers to kill all others who won't convert.
I see nothing changing as of yet.
They're phony... but similar to Koran 9:4-5
9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392
My "Favorite" Verses:
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Shakir Translation
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392
The koran "makes frequent mention of jinn (spirits), from which the English word "genie" is derived..."
Make mine a jinn and tonic. And flush the Q-q-q-qu'''*ran down the toilet.
"Exactly, I trust their intepretation of their own cult."
Then why don't you trust the interpretation of the billion or so Muslims who are not trying to kill anyone ?
You mean like the ones that'll riot at a moments notice that a koran was flushed someplace and kill each other?
Hah.. I trust the vocal ones that at least admit what it stands for. The quiet ones are in silent support, oftentimes not very veiled support either.
"The moment a country grows weak, or the Muslim population gets large enough to demand rights, "peace talk" stops, and Islam's bloody borders advance."
Like Turkey, I presume ?
"My question is, do the Muslims read it in Arabic, or do they just believe what they are told by their imams?"
My guess is that most of them would read it in their native language, if available.
How many Christians know the language(s) the Bible was written in, or even Latin ?
The Imans would give their own explainations of it, and considering that most of the Billion or so Muslims are not trying to kill anyone, it would seem the majority are peacefull.
"You mean like the ones that'll riot at a moments notice that a koran was flushed someplace and kill each other?"
Do you have any concept of a Billion compared to the possibly few million who get caught up in it ?
... or of the rioters in Detroit over a basketball game ?
... in Brazil over soccer ?
.. or Rodney King ?
Likewise, both of these refer to a time of war - but even then, read on to
[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
They are told to give safe passage to those who seek protection until they can return home ( after a word from their sponser )
... and obviously people just ignore -
[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
You must be a member to be this blind.
"You must be a member to be this blind."
You're new here, but attempting personal attacks when your arguments run out of steam never gets you anywhere ...
Well, are you a member or not?
Those "few" have a specific function in Islam. They act independently as enforcers who use religious zeal and terror to maintain the purity of the sect. That killing deviants is justified by the goal of bringing about Allah's will is an article of faith. Since they are "better" than everyone else, it is just accepted. Islam will always generate that 10%.
The Zionist Jews wrote the Koran and all the translations just in order to make Islam look bad.
"Well, are you a member or not?"
Much as I just love to talk about myself, all questions of that sort must be submitted in writing and enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope -
- Thanks for your request
Ah well, I can't really discuss the matter until I know if someone's a TROP member or not. Sorry.
"Since they are "better" than everyone else, it is just accepted. Islam will always generate that 10%."
Assuming you're correct, no problem tracking down and killing that 10%
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