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To: nypokerface

Before Indians were running casinos and selling cigarettes tax-free in North America, they were a stone-age people before the "pale face" came. They had not learned to domesticate animals (except dogs), they had no written language, they used only stone tools and they had not even yet invented the wheel.

They had never seen a horse, a metal knife, a cart or a plow.

They also commonly practiced slavery, genocide and cannibalism against other tribes. No matter how many times you watch "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas," it will not change these facts.

In terms of population percentage loss, the worst war we ever fought was King Philip's War in 1675-76. King Philip was an indian chief (also known as Metacomet) who attacked to oust white settlers from New England. The Indians burned down/destroyed twelve of ninety Puritan towns and attacked forty others (including Providence). The Colonists' population was small in 1675 and a good percentage of that population was killed in the war (with about 1000 slain out of a population of 52,000, this death rate was nearly twice that of the Civil War and more than seven times that of World War II). The Indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the French in the French And Indian War (1753). The indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British in the Revolution. The Indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British again in the War of 1812. The Indians lost the war.

As the Americans moved west, fighting was constant on both sides. The Indians lost everytime.


33 posted on 05/25/2005 11:50:39 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana

"They also commonly practiced slavery, genocide and cannibalism against other tribes."

Uhhh, pick up a book on European History. Check out the Thirty-Years War.

"They had never seen a horse, a metal knife, a cart or a plow."

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"In terms of population percentage loss, the worst war we ever fought was King Philip's War in 1675-76. King Philip was an indian chief (also known as Metacomet) who attacked to oust white settlers from New England."

King Phillip was the son of Massasoit, the Chief who welcomed and helped the Pilgrims. When Massassoit died, Phillip's' older brother Wamsutta, or King Alexander, was brow-beaten by the Puritans in Boston and forced to come at their beck and call there like a subordinate, where he was humilated as though he was an underling instead of an independent ruler. On his return ne died under questionable circumstances, and the other Wampanoags believed he had been poisoned by the English.

When Metacomet succeeded Phillip, the English continued to force the Wampanoags to surrender lands to them, and otherwise abused and humiliated them. Phillip himself was whipped by the Puritans - a punishment no Indian would tolerate normally, and certainly not a Chief.

A little sneaking rat Wampanoag traitor named John Sassamon was detected by the other Wampanoags, killed and his body sunk in Assawomsett Pond. When the English found out their informer had been executed, they demanded the killers be turned over to them for "justice". These were hanged.

Phillip then was forced into his "rebellion". During this war, not only were English settlements depopulated, but the English attacked a large settlement of ostensibly neutral Narragansetts in the Great Swamp "Fight" in the dead of winter. The Puritans thought the Narragansetts had provided shleter to refugee Wampanoags. In Native American tradition, anyone seeking shelter was usually welcomed and helped.

The Puritans surrounded the village and set it on fire and then proceeded to shoot down anything moving in it or trying to escaape from it. Even some Pequot Indians who were heriditary enemies of the Narragansetts were horrified at the slaughter of women and children - something completely alien to their culture at the time. Whoever got away died of exposure in the cold.

It later transpired that most of the people in the village were women and children and old men. The warriors were away on a hunt.

The English did pretty poorly in this war until somebody named Benjamin Church came along and offered captured Indians immunity from punishment and freedom if they would serve as scouts for the British and allow them to attack the hostile indians.

When the war was over, despite Church's promises, those indians who helped him were sold along with all captured indians as slaves in the sugar plantations of the West indies - a sure death warrant.

As for Phillip himself, he was shot by an indian and, at Church's direction, his body was quartered and beheaded like a beast instead of a human being and parts of his body displayed all over New England.


Who, I ask you, behaved like the "savages"?


49 posted on 05/25/2005 12:54:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: 2banana

The Indians sided with the French in the French And Indian War (1753). The indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British in the Revolution. The Indians lost the war.

The Indians sided with the British again in the War of 1812. The Indians lost the war.

It's late, so I won't go into much detail tonight, but you're misrepresenting history here. Different Indian tribes fought on both sides of all three wars you mentioned. For instance, Choctaw chief Pushmataha and a band of warriors fought alongside and on behalf of General Andrew Jackson during the War of 1812, including a heroic stand at the Battle of New Orleans. Not all tribes shared the same politics, goals or alliances...then or now. A simple search on Google would've revealed this.

89 posted on 05/26/2005 8:33:00 PM PDT by MississippiMasterpiece (y a)
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