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To: xzins
You described the shutdown. You didn't describe "what left."

Nothing really "left". The same elements are all still there, it's just that the chemical reactions that made the cells "alive" have ceased. Once this happens, the cells quickly start to decay, but there's no supernatural transformation.

An extremely complex system doesn't just happen.

You're right, but no one suggests that it "just happened". This is a creationist strawman.

Suggestions that reproduction gets us out of the dilemma simply ignores that the extremely complex biological system includes an extremely complex reproductive system.

Which earlier generations of life forms didn't have. No one suggests that sexual reproduction just spontaneously occured.

Ultimately your argument is one from incredulity. You don't understand how it could have come about, so rather than research the given explanations, you throw up your hands and say "It must have been designed!" That isn't science.
951 posted on 05/26/2005 3:19:34 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC
You haven't described what left. Materialists try to formulate a theory of life, but refuse to define life. Sounds pretty backward to me. "We don't know what it is, but here's how it came about? (Uhhhh, how what came about?) "Well, how life came about." (What is this life that you're trying to look like an expert on?) "We don't know. (Then how in the world can you describe how it came about?) "Because....because we're scientists, and we're allowed to do that." (Riiiiggghhhht!)

Materialists do say that it just randomly came about. You remember....Maybe lightening...maybe protein soup...maybe a snowball in a hot place.... Sheesh.

It's obvious that my car is a complex system and that it didn't make itself. It is not illogical at all to apply that same observation to other complex systems.

Earlier generations of life forms DID HAVE reproducing/replicating systems. Otherwise, you wouldn't be talking about them.

960 posted on 05/26/2005 3:29:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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