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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^
| May 21, 2005
| Richard Dawkins
Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites
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41
posted on
05/25/2005 6:14:55 AM PDT
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com)
To: armymarinedad
Evolutionists base their faith on a theory developed by scientists. The people who once thought the world was flat. I don't think your example has it's intended effect. For your example to prove your point, scientists would still have to believe that the world is flat and refuse to believe any new evidence that the world is indeed round.
Science history is full of instances where scientists once thought one thing, only to have it proven wrong. But at that point, they (eventually, in some cases) accept the new facts and move on.
42
posted on
05/25/2005 6:17:26 AM PDT
by
TomB
("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
To: wideawake; Junior
Family names are (in Western cultures at least) carried by the male line. The studies showing "mitochondrial Eve" use genes that show only the female line. You can't prove you're related to your own father with mtDNA. That's Junior's point.
43
posted on
05/25/2005 6:17:29 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: VadeRetro
someone telling God how God is allowed to make the world.I think you just arent taking Gods word for what it says. Gen 1:1, In the beginning God created...
God says he created. I'll take it thats exactly what happened. Its not putting God in a "box" its accepting what he tells us.
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posted on
05/25/2005 6:18:01 AM PDT
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com)
To: VadeRetro
call it what you want, impressive way to rationalize away importance of a first cause.
45
posted on
05/25/2005 6:21:19 AM PDT
by
flevit
To: TomB
Science history is full of instances where scientists once thought one thing, only to have it proven wrong. But at that point, they (eventually, in some cases) accept the new facts and move on. By doing this, not only accepting new evidence but actively seeking it all the time, science relentlessly converges on an increasingly accurate description of nature. It may never be perfectly right, but it gets very, very accurate. The people who argue that it's just some big pendulum that swings back and forth between flat-Earth and round-Earth are ignoring what is going on as a matter of their own convenience in argument. Creationism is full of intentional little errors of observation and logic like this one. Or, you could say it's full of bull.
46
posted on
05/25/2005 6:23:29 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: thejokker
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
To: VadeRetro
but I doubt you are so cavalier when YOU are the (seemingly) first cause of something. I bet you enjoy being complemented on your hard work.
48
posted on
05/25/2005 6:25:11 AM PDT
by
flevit
To: VadeRetro
You can't prove you're related to your own father with mtDNA. That's Junior's point. Another way of putting it, your mtDNA line can die out but your nuclear genes can be spreading around the world at the same time.
49
posted on
05/25/2005 6:25:34 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Sender
Evolution definitely exists and is ongoing. Spotted owls learn to live next to Quickie Mart...
I don't think spotted owls learning to live next to the Quickie Mart is any evidence of evolution.
Should their off-spring begin to show signs of acquiring the attributes of say, a winged shopping cart, then you may have something there...
50
posted on
05/25/2005 6:30:10 AM PDT
by
Paisan
To: flevit
The issue isn't whether there was a first cause and did its name start with a G. The issue is whether there is a lawful universe that apparently runs without miracles, and, if so, should some people who prefer miracles be allowed to misrepresent the evidence. I mean, we're talking about people who can't even quote honestly.
51
posted on
05/25/2005 6:30:46 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Sybeck1
Look, I'm not gonna get into a debate about God and evolution.
I'm merely pointing out that the same people who believe that every change in the environment is "destroying the delicate balance of nature" also believe in the evolution of life to adapt to changes in the environment. Yet, they want us to curtail our activities in such a way as to freeze that same environment in place. And just for fun, they set up Christians as a convenient strawman.
52
posted on
05/25/2005 6:31:44 AM PDT
by
A Balrog of Morgoth
(With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
To: Paisan
53
posted on
05/25/2005 6:33:50 AM PDT
by
wallcrawlr
(http://www.bionicear.com)
To: ThinkPlease
Interesting how you "fixed the quote".
Is'nt that something the "knuckle draggers", "fundies" or whatever derisive term is your pet slander are regularly accused of doing?
I'm sure you do not hypocrisy when gazing upon it from afar. How does it look in the mirror?
54
posted on
05/25/2005 6:36:20 AM PDT
by
L,TOWM
(Liberals, The Other White Meat [Born in California, Texan by the Grace of God.])
To: photodawg
"Science depends on an objective study of verifiable phenomena."
This is precisely why Dawkins' faith in evolution is not science.
To: Junior
That assertion is wrong on so many levels...
Did you ever study history? What standards of "empirical proof" did you apply to your history textbooks?
Do you believe that Julius Ceaser was stabbed to death in the Roman Senate? If so, upon what do base that belief?
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posted on
05/25/2005 6:39:40 AM PDT
by
L,TOWM
(Liberals, The Other White Meat [Born in California, Texan by the Grace of God.])
To: TomB
Science history is full of instances where scientists once thought one thing, only to have it proven wrong.
That is exactly my point.
57
posted on
05/25/2005 6:41:35 AM PDT
by
armymarinedad
(Character makes you draw a line in the dirt.)
To: armymarinedad
That is exactly my point. That science changes according to evidence? I think not.
Evolution has been studied for a century and the evidence only grows stronger.
If the evidence for evolution is as weak as implied, why aren't more scientists changing their minds, as they did with the "flat earth"?
58
posted on
05/25/2005 6:46:55 AM PDT
by
TomB
("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
To: VadeRetro
I have to say again that Dawkins nailed it, and it's utterly damning. It's why I tend to call ID the UNscience. It's about undoing--sabotaging-- someone else's hard work at discovery. It's an active tearing down of knowledge, a sweeping under the rug of evidence. "Luddite" isn't too strong a word at all. Yep.
59
posted on
05/25/2005 6:46:57 AM PDT
by
balrog666
(A myth by any other name is still inane.)
To: VadeRetro
"Luddite" isn't too strong a word at all. The problem is that Luddite isn't strong enough. Creationism/ID works at tearing down the foundations of science as diligently and as cunningly as the ACLU works to undermine the foundations of the US. One day they'll wake up and discover -- to their mutual surprise -- that they're both on the same team.
And as for your tagline, which I've quoted often (Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.) I don't thing that's strong enough either. Creationism is a cancer on Western Civilization.
60
posted on
05/25/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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