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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: Doctor Stochastic; Gumlegs
No. It has a simple 4-term spigot formula giving the digits.

Is dropping a pin on equally spaced parallel lines a random mechanism?

1,121 posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:03 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Gumlegs

Three rules for improving your survival fittness (due to Nelsen Algren):

1. Never play cards with a man called Doc.

2. Never eat at a place called Mom's.

3. Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own.


1,122 posted on 05/26/2005 8:56:48 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: furball4paws; Gumlegs

Now that's an interesting "thing". Maybe Ichy could explain its ancestry and evolution?

At first I was going to say that some things are beyond even my ken (not to mention my Barbie), but then I realized that it clearly must be a relative to the RhinoCycle.

1,123 posted on 05/26/2005 8:57:26 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: AndrewC

1,124 posted on 05/26/2005 8:59:35 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor

If it is to be as it is, is he to go on, or to be in on it?


1,125 posted on 05/26/2005 9:00:21 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: furball4paws

Why did Hemmingway's chicken cross the road? To die. In the rain.


1,126 posted on 05/26/2005 9:01:56 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own.

I've been told that my participation in the action in question makes it impossible to avoid the stated outcome.

1,127 posted on 05/26/2005 9:05:11 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Gumlegs
[No. It has a simple 4-term spigot formula giving the digits.]

Is dropping a pin on equally spaced parallel lines a random mechanism?

Only someone who was a real Buffon would think to make such a suggestion. He should be needled repeatedly.

1,128 posted on 05/26/2005 9:06:04 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
No, it's "it's the ugliest one of the bunch.", but it could be yours, too.
1,129 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:27 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Ichneumon
Is it, really?

Yeah in a way it is I think. The Bible even states that we have that freedom to believe or not. Believing is to accept something as being the truth. It's saying something is real, genuine but whether we choose to believe it as truth is certainly a matter of personal choice.

1,130 posted on 05/26/2005 9:08:47 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: furball4paws
No, it's "it's the ugliest one of the bunch.", but it could be yours, too.

There's also a variant with a camel that ends with, "yeah, but *we* just ride it into town..."

1,131 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:23 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: AndrewC
Is dropping a pin on equally spaced parallel lines a random mechanism?

(You really need to rewrite that sentence; however, I'll presume you are referrin to Buffon. Note that the act of dropping the pin may be independent of whether it lands on lines or polka dots.)

Maybe. Depends on the height of the pin release and the elasticity of both the pin and whatever the lines are drawn on.

1,132 posted on 05/26/2005 9:10:38 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Gumlegs

Doc stuck those on me too, but here's a couple more:

1. Never trust a man with no neck.

2. Never pet a dog that's on fire.

DS, you want to start a collection?


1,133 posted on 05/26/2005 9:12:15 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Somehow I see a pattern where university and public school classrooms are concerned, natural selection and random mutation being the ultimate trump card that "wins every argument."

Science doesn't employ burning at the stake to make it's scientific arguements. That would be as opposed to the Catholic church in Galileo's day.

Your understanding of the studies, effects, and trial of Galileo is skewed from the inside. You would rather not admit that a.) the church was in large part a champion of science at the time, and b.) science was clinging to Aristotelian dogma like most of the rest of the world.

I understand this perfectly well. It has little bearing on the big issues in the Trial of Galileo as conventionally understood by conventional historians.

The Trail occured because the inquisition did not want the ideas in his book spread around--not because Galileo offended their sensibilities, even if a couple of recent books, largely by Catholic apologists, say otherwise.

This is ridiculous, paper-thin, historical revisionism.

1,134 posted on 05/26/2005 9:13:50 PM PDT by donh
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To: Ichneumon

Ichy, you need to get a life than I do 8>{


1,135 posted on 05/26/2005 9:14:52 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Dimensio
Then why did you seem to agree with patriot_wes, who implied exactly that?

Look, all I can do is repeat what I said ---I don't know how, but I think it's possible that evolution, at least in some form, can co-exist with creationism. I truly think God has worked this out so one doesn't have to exclude the other.

1,136 posted on 05/26/2005 9:20:06 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: furball4paws

Quote mining Damon Runyon would probably be more fruitful.


1,137 posted on 05/26/2005 9:22:10 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Maybe. Depends on the height of the pin release and the elasticity of both the pin and whatever the lines are drawn on.

I'll take that answer as yes. And the probability of the pin falling on a line when the length of the pin is equal to the distance between the parallels is what?

1,138 posted on 05/26/2005 9:22:57 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
It's 2/Pi. What's your point? What has this to do with complexity?
1,139 posted on 05/26/2005 9:28:28 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
No. Not at all. But I have heard serious reports that God created the heavens and the earth. Lo and behold, the heavens and the earth are present for my observation. Not a bad start. In view of the fact that I myself, as an intelligent agent, am totally incapable of building a tree that works, much less a silicon chip, it is not at all unreasable to assume an intelligent agent may be involved with this stuff. That is more than I can say for lizard people or whatever red herring you chose to throw into the mix, of whom there have only been patently ficitious accounts.

There is exactly the same amount of courtroom quality evidence for the theory that God created the heavens and earth, as for the Norse theory of God's vs. Giants now buried deep in the earth. And about the same measure of respectable second-hand witnesses. Furthermore, plenty of Greeks would have been ready to step up to the microphone and swear their certain knowledge derived from no courtroom-quality evidence whatsoever, just like you. Why should I take you any more seriously than I take them?

1,140 posted on 05/26/2005 9:32:01 PM PDT by donh
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