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Minnesota court takes dim view of encryption
CNET ^ | May 24, 2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 05/24/2005 9:56:37 PM PDT by atomic_dog

A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.

Ari David Levie, who was convicted of photographing a nude 9-year-old girl, argued on appeal that the PGP encryption utility on his computer was irrelevant and should not have been admitted as evidence during his trial. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy and is sold by PGP Inc. of Palo Alto, Calif.

But the Minnesota appeals court ruled 3-0 that the trial judge was correct to let that information be used when handing down a guilty verdict.

"We find that evidence of appellant's Internet use and the existence of an encryption program on his computer was at least somewhat relevant to the state's case against him," Judge R.A. Randall wrote in an opinion dated May 3.

Randall favorably cited testimony given by retired police officer Brooke Schaub, who prepared a computer forensics report--called an EnCase Report--for the prosecution. Schaub testified that PGP "can basically encrypt any file" and "other than the National Security Agency," nobody could break it.

The court didn't say that police had unearthed any encrypted files or how it would view the use of standard software like OS X's FileVault. Rather, Levie's conviction was based on the in-person testimony of the girl who said she was paid to pose nude, coupled with the history of searches for "Lolitas" in Levie's Web browser.

Judge Thomas Bibus had convicted Levie of two counts of attempted use of a minor in a sexual performance and two counts of solicitation of a child to engage in sexual conduct. The appeals court reversed the two convictions for attempted use of a minor, upheld the two solicitation convictions, and sent the case back to Bibus for a new sentence.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: computersecurity; crime; encryption; govwatch; pgp; privacy; security; technology
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To: atomic_dog

Liberal judges to save the last vestages of our privacy, or conservative judges to stop the daily idiocies.

Don't they call this a Hobson's choice?


21 posted on 05/24/2005 11:02:52 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: atomic_dog

I guess having a car can be construed as intent to rob a bank, or using envelopes instead of postcards means you are hiding criminal messages. Encryption is all around us, in programs, embedded in hardware, on the backs of your credit cards. What these crypto-marxists (pun intended) want is to outlaw private citizens from protecting themselves in a society brimming with surveillance and intrusions into privacy. But it's fine I suppose for the music industry. The kiddie-porn thing isn't even an issue here, it's the presumption of intent by possessing something not only not unusual but will probably be even more necessary in the future i.e. personal encryption software. Joseph Stalin would be proud of these judges.


22 posted on 05/24/2005 11:19:37 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Finalapproach29er
Hobson's choice ?

More like "Calvin & Hobbes" choice..

23 posted on 05/24/2005 11:23:22 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: atomic_dog

"...the mere "existence of an encryption program" on a computer can be admitted as evidence of criminal intent."


I guess that means that putting letters in envelopes is also a sign of criminal intent.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 11:23:57 PM PDT by DaiHuy
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To: DaiHuy

Unbellyfeelingingsoc! Thought criminal!


25 posted on 05/24/2005 11:27:10 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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Banking institutions use encryption for transactions on a very regular basis, if the court is to be fair and balanced in its opinion, they should find these banking institutions to be potentially guilty of 'criminal intent'.
26 posted on 05/24/2005 11:29:50 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (</liberal> It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: atomic_dog
First the FBI wants to seize documents without a warrant and now the mere "existence of an encryption program" on a computer can be admitted as evidence of criminal intent.

Does anyone else see something wrong here or am I just being paranoid?

Coming soon to a courtroom near you... "Today, the Supreme Court ruled that "taking the fifth," i.e. stating that you will not answer a question is a right protected by the fifth amendment, will now be taken to mean that you're guilty.

Mark

27 posted on 05/24/2005 11:37:21 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: SteveMcKing
I have passwords to bank accounts, commercial accounts, my resume, application letters, my own and relatives' social security numbers, love letters, hate letters, proprietary business data, and other critical information on my computer.

It is criminally negligent NOT to encrypt your important files.

And not just for encryption, either... PGP can be used to generate a "Digital Signature," which, when used, can authenticate the source of a document, and ensure that it has not been changed in any way.

Banks use encryption software (and hardware, for FEDLINE and other transactions). Does that mean that banks are suspected by those courts of criminal intent?

While I'm all for taking someone with kiddie porn and locking them up and throwing away the key, having encryption software does NOT indicate criminal intent, and I hope he's able to appeal this ruling.

Mark

28 posted on 05/24/2005 11:42:25 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: Revel

I have a text file containing all my passwords for all my accounts. It's encrypted by PGP. If that's not a legitimate use, without any possible implication of criminal intent, then keys, locks, passwords and passcards are all just as incriminating.


29 posted on 05/24/2005 11:53:53 PM PDT by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: atomic_dog
First the FBI wants to seize documents without a warrant and now the mere "existence of an encryption program" on a computer can be admitted as evidence of criminal intent.

Does anyone else see something wrong here or am I just being paranoid?

This is scary as hell. I use encryption to deliver files to my office, now all my encyrption software is considered criminal intent ?

I might as well rig the PC with a thermite demo system now.

30 posted on 05/25/2005 12:14:05 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("THE REDNECK PROBLEM" ..... we prefer the term, "Agro-Americans")
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To: Keith in Iowa
Just replace "existence of an encryption program" with "presence of a firearm"

And following this standard, all men are equipped to be rapists and all women, whores.

31 posted on 05/25/2005 12:21:17 AM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: garyhope
Geez, how many people have PGP on their computers

I do. Do I have to explain why?

32 posted on 05/25/2005 1:35:59 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: RebelTex
Quite a few actually - mostly linux users now, since WinXP is trashed when PGP is installed. Warning to WinXP users - do NOT install PGP, unless you really enjoy wiping the hard drive and reinstalling everything from scratch.

As a blanket statement that is utter drivel. This computer has XP with all service packs and updates and co-exists just fine with PGP, and I have installed it on 4 others also.
Perhaps there is a specific problem with your setup but you should avoid making sweeping and untrue statements.

33 posted on 05/25/2005 1:41:30 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: etcetera
Compression software like WinZip can be considered encryption tool.

The latest versions of Winzip optionally use DES 256 bit encryption which is very strong. I think that is basically what banks use when wiring funds around the planet. So really it is no different than PGP, which can also optionally be used to encrypt files. Other uses are digitally signing software and email to ensure it has not been tampered with.
Therefore anyone with Winzip on their computer should have to justify why they installed it (/sarcasm)

34 posted on 05/25/2005 1:53:32 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: RebelTex

http://www.pgp.com/support/legacy/desktop8.x.html

Desktop Systems Supported
„h Windows XP SP1 and SP2
„h Windows Server 2003
„h Windows 2000 SP3
„h Windows NT 4 SP6a
„h Windows ME
„h Windows 98SE
„h Windows 98
„h Mac OS X 10.3
„h Note: PGP Corporate Desktop 8.x (including PGP Disk) on Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) is incompatible and unsupported.


35 posted on 05/25/2005 1:56:19 AM PDT by preacher
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bump for later


36 posted on 05/25/2005 2:12:47 AM PDT by getsoutalive
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To: ikka

"Is that really what the court is saying in this case though? I mean, they had the testimony of the girl herself plus the guy's web browser history."

The posts against the decision are only on the single issue of encryption. Change encryption to a "gun". You can legally own a gun. You can use that gun for legal purposes. But when you use the gun for an illegal purpose, it figures into the crime.

In this case the pervert was a child pornographer. He used encryption to keep from being caught, so a legal tool was used to conceal illegal acts. He had something to hide and the tool to hide it becomes an issue.

Change the illegal act to spying, and that encryption was part of showing guilty intent as in this trial. It seems self evident that a judge would allow the prosecution to use it as a part of their case to show intent to hide the guilty act.


37 posted on 05/25/2005 3:42:37 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Donald Meaker
... presumption of guilt for Constitutionally protected refusal to testify.

You mean that when a perp "lawyers up," he's not to be assumed as guilty? Someone will probably claim that one can own a gun without intent to commit murder.

38 posted on 05/25/2005 6:36:42 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
There aren't enough prisons to hold all of us criminals...

More can be built. Money from speed trap cameras continues to flow in.

39 posted on 05/25/2005 6:38:56 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: SpaceBar

When encryption is outlawed, only outlaws terá limas seguras.


40 posted on 05/25/2005 6:41:56 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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