[Ursus arctos horribilis]

"You must be thinking of Jane Fondue's record behind an NVA AA gun."

Not at all. He crashed and totaled out two during his training, (if not for his Daddy admiral he would have been washed out) He screwed up with his plane on the deck of an aircraft carrier, (this resulted in deaths and mucho damage to the carrier) then he got shot down in the fourth one. Makes four American planes by my math.

[SandRat]

Let me just ask:

When did you graduate from Pensicola Naval Aviation Cadet Training?

When did you finish your Carrier Quals?

How many successful traps on that postage stamp of an airfield in an F-4 Phantom have you made in the open sea?