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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What did the Republicans get out of this deal that they couldn't have gotten by cutting off the filibuster?

The Democrats got to keep the filibuster for use later down the road. All one Democrat has to do is utter the words "extreme circumstances" and we're right back at square one.

Who were these 14 so called "centrists" that gave away the bride before the wedding? McCain had to be one of them.

Frist says he wasn't a part of the deal, but does anyone think he didn't know all the details? What are Frist's presidential chances now?
9 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:15 PM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: Noachian

More to the point regarding Frist, doesn't this show how totally ineffectual he is as a leader?


21 posted on 05/23/2005 8:36:20 PM PDT by Keyes2000mt (http://adamsweb.us/blog Conservative Truth for Idaho)
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To: Noachian
What did the Republicans get out of this deal that they couldn't have gotten by cutting off the filibuster?

Explanations so far fall well short of being . . . explanations.  Democrats seem to be the only real winners in this.

Who were these 14 so called "centrists" that gave away the bride before the wedding? McCain had to be one of them.

We should start a list.  Check it twice.  We'll know whose been naughty and whose been nice.

Just published online from the New York Times.  Seems like Boxer et al are the only real winners.  Repubs just postponed the fight.

Some conservative activists who had pushed for the Senate to ban the filibuster entirely said they had been betrayed by Republican moderates.

"Once again, moderate Republicans have taken the victory and thrown it overboard," said Paul Weyrich, a veteran conservative organizer, who predicted that conservatives voters would punish the party.

Mr. McCain said he expected that interest groups on both the left and right would be furious at the compromise.

"Think of all the money they are going to lose," he said, ducking into a car to head to the premiere of a film about his life, referring to the fund-raising operations that had sprung up around the judicial battle.

After thanking Mr. McCain on the Capitol steps for the "wonderful" deal, Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, acknowledged that Democrats had cleared the way for possible confirmation of three judges many in the party opposed. But Ms. Boxer said others had been held off, and she described the agreement as a "big victory" for Democrats.

Democratic officials said an unwritten aspect of the pact is that two nominees not named in the deal - Brett Kavanaugh and William J. Haynes - would not be confirmed and would be turned aside either at the committee level or on the floor.


30 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:34 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Noachian

What do you want to bet that the first person to say "extreme circumstances" is chuckie shumer?


146 posted on 05/23/2005 11:27:39 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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