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Text of Filibuster Deal
Received via e-mail | Monday, May 23, 2005 | Rats and Rinos

Posted on 05/23/2005 5:23:07 PM PDT by kristinn

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To: etcb; Darkwolf

<< It doesn't appear that Frist folded, but rather he had the rug pulled from under him. >>

What's the difference?

He might just as well be Trent Lott, Arlen Spectre, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Oren Hatch or any of a dozen other gutless career-politician RINOs.

Every one of whom is every-bit-as-incapable as Frist of leading, following -- or of even getting out of the way!


221 posted on 05/23/2005 6:38:48 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: kristinn

Future video on CSPAN2, come next July on Supreme Court Nominee

Sen. Byrd: "What now do these Republicans tyrants want from us? We gave them votes on the President's nominees in May! Now they want us to give them a vote on these latest nominees too! As Cicero and Demosthenes would say, this nominee is truly an extraordinary case, and we must filibuster him as per our agreement. God save this wonderful good ole' boy Senate.

I will now drink a toast to my seven Republican colleagues who have given us the power to thwart the will of the people once more."


222 posted on 05/23/2005 6:38:56 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: ricks_place
"Hypothetical A good conservative is nominated to the bench. The Dems slime and then filibuster the candidate. The agreement is null and void."

And then Frist enacts the nuclear option. Yeah. Sure.

223 posted on 05/23/2005 6:39:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf (aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
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To: oldbill
The smart thing to do response is to turn the Senate rules back on the "Republican" turncoats by having at least 41 of the OTHER 48 Republican Senators to vote AGAINST cloture, thus negating the deal and returning everything back to square one.

This will temporarily delay the Owens Brown Pryor votes, but it will also make the "Gang of 14" impotent. Then the Other 48 can start working on bottling up in committee evry bill of the seven turncoats and zeroing out every dollar for their states.

Great ideas. If Frist is a true leader, he will pursue these.

224 posted on 05/23/2005 6:39:49 PM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: kristinn

I tried to call Warner's office just now and the mail box is full. I will call him tomorrow to advise him that he is a man without a party.


225 posted on 05/23/2005 6:40:18 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Don't let Terri's death be in vain!)
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To: kristinn; All

I can't believe that anything I write here will not already have been written by now.

I just want to add my voice - I am profoundly disgusted.

What more is there to say?


226 posted on 05/23/2005 6:41:04 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Sun

"It's not over until it's over."

You got guts, buddy. Explain better how it is not over, as it seems it is.


227 posted on 05/23/2005 6:41:15 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: mollynme

Once the RATS make asses of them, some of them, yes.


228 posted on 05/23/2005 6:41:34 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Don't let Terri's death be in vain!)
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To: kristinn

In the end all we need is two Pubs that signed this deal (a gentleman's agreement amaong the 14 not the full senate) to change their vote (under pressure) when any nominee that is less conservative, according to the now-established definition, than the three let through and it is a done deal. Graham is at least saying as such but is still in deep s@#t either way.


229 posted on 05/23/2005 6:42:09 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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To: Darkwolf

Except, of course, by the Democrats. Their "abuse of power" is perfectly acceptable. His comments made me cringe. Healthy debate is one thing but his description of those who oppose his views borders on hate speech.


230 posted on 05/23/2005 6:43:19 PM PDT by SunshinesStormySummerSon
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To: Teslas Pigeon
Exactly! The Democrats are poised to allow five conservative judges they've labeled "out of the mainstream" to be elevated to the bench. And they're going to tell the country an equally conservative SCOTUS nominee is an "extraordinary circumstance" to restart the filibuster? ROFL. Heck, if I were still a Democrat, I would have said Dingy Harry and Democrats Senators should have just kept them off - they're Bushbots and we lost!!!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
231 posted on 05/23/2005 6:44:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Darkwolf

I am not hysterical, you are. He dawdled as you put because he didn't have the votes. He still didn't. I did read. Because I don't agree with what you posted doesn't mean I didn't read. I respect you opinion. Have the manners to do the same for mine.


232 posted on 05/23/2005 6:44:35 PM PDT by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: mrsmith
That is what I think as well. We don't know what this means—so far this is just a bunch of blather—until it is put into action.

Could it have just put off the debate/fight/rules change for later?

233 posted on 05/23/2005 6:45:14 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: kristinn; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
related to pending and future judicial nominations in the 109th Congress.

So in the 110th we get to go through all this again?

234 posted on 05/23/2005 6:45:21 PM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: jess35

"Winning by trying to tell the Senate how they should act? That's a win? For who?"

For the Constitution, in this case, which if you haven't noticed, is being trampled on.


235 posted on 05/23/2005 6:46:14 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: SunshinesStormySummerSon
Hahahaha Dingy Harry's out of touch with reality. He got a piece of paper to cover his worthless derrierre and we got a vote on the nominees. The Democrats are good with spin. But the fact of the matter is they didn't stop anything that was inevitably going to happen. They took too many shots to do themselves any good and they're going to have to decide who to oppose next. I love it when a plan comes together!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
236 posted on 05/23/2005 6:48:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SERKIT

Could some interesting freeper come up with McClamberlain waving a piece of paper saying "Peace in our time!". This "peace" is worth just about as much as the original...


237 posted on 05/23/2005 6:48:56 PM PDT by Rdev
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To: Kath

Okay, we got screwed, I see that now.


238 posted on 05/23/2005 6:49:03 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: kristinn

Before we rush to conclusions, this isn't necessarily a bad deal.
When you think about it, Bush can nominate ANY of the judges that have been passed so far, to the Supreme Court. Democrats can't say they are "extrodinary" cirumstances because they were already passed.


239 posted on 05/23/2005 6:50:00 PM PDT by mowkeka
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To: OXENinFLA
So in the 110th we get to go through all this again?

Only if we exchange a Democrat for a loyal American or replace two of the RINO traitors

240 posted on 05/23/2005 6:50:40 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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