I'm going to bed, I still think we got the result we wanted tonight and we didn't have to take the media hit (yet) for changing the Rules. And the moderate Dems agreed that filibusters are not right. WIN-WIN.
We agreed to not stop the Dems from filibustering as long as they don't filibuster.
I just spent a few minutes on DU, they are apoplectic and are deserting the Dems in droves. It looks very familiar! What an eye-opening experience to see both opposite sides both so out of joint by the same news. Its as though a football game was played and both sets of fans are pissed at the end. I think we won, not a final victory yet, but a good move in the right direction.
Good night all.
Clearly you are very confused.
The GOP weakings are (rightfully) being blamed for caving in, but we don't know that what is going down with the agreement wouldn't have gone down without it. It sure could have, and I gave it (cloture vote passes) about a 50-50 chance. With the memo, the DEMs get cover for passing cloture on Owen.
But what are they going to do with Myers and Bolton? No way to dodge 'em. They are on the calendar. Do the DEMs agree to vote on the nominees? or not?
ts as though a football game was played and both sets of fans are pissed at the end. I think we won, not a final victory yet, but a good move in the right direction.