[Liberal Classic]

This is basic, *basic* science. This isn't advanced physics. This isn't even freshman college physics. This is grade school stuff! If you want to debate intelligently on scientific issues it really helps to understand some basic science, such as the electromagnetic spectrum. I don't expect you to turn around and drop everything and believe the earth is 4 and a half billion years old. However, with some basic understanding of science will come the realization that the earth cannot be merely 10,000 years old.

[Gumlegs]

Give it up. Fester wants "immutable facts." So, because powered flight wasn't possible before December 17, 1903, but it is now, you can't really believe in powered flight unless you can arrange to stand there on December 17,1903 and see it for yourself, and/or explain all of aerodynamic theory in terms a mildly dim pre-schooler could grasp. Even then, you eyes could be fooling you, or somebody might just have told you you saw it.

Facts are immutable!