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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: RadioAstronomer

Wasn't that a "Quasar"?

Of course, I've had older TV's that turned into Pulsars.


441 posted on 05/24/2005 6:52:24 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Just before the Big Bang.


442 posted on 05/24/2005 6:52:45 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: dread78645
I read them.

Well congratulations, you're an icon among Darwinists on the "list", someone who actually gives a crap about conservatism, though a small crap it would seem.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, but why fill your head with unnecessary conservative clutter.

443 posted on 05/24/2005 6:54:30 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Of course, I've had older TV's that turned into Pulsars.

Just before the Big Bang.

ROTFLMAO!

BTW, those were Quasars that blew up? (should have bought a Curtis Mathes back then) LOL!

444 posted on 05/24/2005 6:58:02 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior; Elsie; BeHoldAPaleHorse; PatrickHenry; TXnMA; Doctor Stochastic
I have satellite and 150+ stations. Give me a show to look for.

You can see a pulsar with your TV :-)

I will post more tonight.

And here is a link to Doctor Stochastic's polarized sunglasses example from post 406.

http://www.mtnmath.com/whatth/node59.html

445 posted on 05/24/2005 6:58:57 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"The speed of light is equal to the wavelength multiplied by the frequency of an electromagnetic wave (microwaves and visible light are both examples of electromagnetic waves)."

How can the unenlightened, ignorant, religious, superstitious masses so intent on the destruction of science verify this proposition?

If one is capable of logic, the proposition is verifiable just by thinking about it. A regular cosine waveform is rippling by you. The distance from wave peak to wave peak is one wavelength. The frequency is the number of wave peaks per second. The propagation speed in distance/second of the waveform past you has to be the physical length of one such peak-to-peak interval times the number per second of such intervals passing you.

Shame one has to spell it out for the logic-deprived. I guess religion really isn't all that good for the brain.

446 posted on 05/24/2005 6:59:29 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Elsie

I will tonight. :-)


447 posted on 05/24/2005 7:00:09 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Elsie
My older tv WAS a ®Pulsar!

Hmmm. Detect a pulsar ON a pulsar. Could be a first. :-)

448 posted on 05/24/2005 7:01:29 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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449 posted on 05/24/2005 7:06:44 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I am the citation.

You da man!

450 posted on 05/24/2005 7:12:21 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry

Nice ste you got the pic from. :-)

Slow though.


451 posted on 05/24/2005 7:14:23 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Right Wing Professor

Hehehe! I waited for 4 years on FR to do that. :-)


452 posted on 05/24/2005 7:14:57 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Right Wing Professor

I like your "I am a chemistry professor" as well. I busted up laughing. How often has that setup ever fallen in your lap? :-)


453 posted on 05/24/2005 7:17:12 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: DannyTN
There are other true birds that do resemble modern birds in their entirety found in the same layer's as Archaeopteryx which were apparently living at the same time as Archaeopteryx.

Citation, please! I know of no modern birds in the Solnhofen limestone. If you've discovered one, please enlighten us all.

454 posted on 05/24/2005 7:18:17 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; All

Off to that pesky thing called work. Will se you all tonight!


455 posted on 05/24/2005 7:19:52 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: VadeRetro
One can also educate oneself; do some science; get enough experience to properly judge whether a published result is correct; or just remain ignorant. Like other lifestyles, ignorance is a choice.
456 posted on 05/24/2005 7:24:05 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RadioAstronomer
How often has that setup ever fallen in your lap? :-)

Well, it's usually followed by something disparaging of academics. But it fascinates me that some creationists really seem to believe that there are aspects to evolution that a chemistry or physics professor would determine are contrary to physical laws.

A few years ago, I had a proposal to review from an organic chemist who was making tiny molecular machines. It was beautiful work, but along the way he happened to mention that he believed some of the machines violated the second law.

Too bad. It looked like nice work.

457 posted on 05/24/2005 7:24:57 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DannyTN
PH slams Ken Ham by posting a link to Hovind trying to smear Ham by association.

You don't think Ham and Hovind are the same animal, but Archeopteryx is an ordinary bird. I shake my head.

I post a long list of Evofraud in response.

I ignored it, although I paused to agree with someone who noted the schizophrenic articles on Archaeopteryx. I have in the past already noted creationists dismissing Archy as 1) just a bird, 2) a fake, and 3) just a dinosaur. In creationism, it isn't how you sweep the evidence under the rug so long as you do it.

You focus on the one pair of links on Archaeopteryx that initially suspects a hoax and then dismisses it after a Creation Scientist is allowed to examine the fossils.

You guys were a little late to the party. The definitive refutation of the hoax claim was done by mainstream science in a detailed forensic examination of the fossils.

First you claim creationists are trying to have it both ways, despite the fact that the intent of what I posted was clear.

Creationists are all over the map on everything except whether evolution happens. Nobody has no ape for granddaddy.

Archaeopteryx has some characteristics that resemble a dinosour.

That plus all the other extinct species that show mixed characters are evidence that the bird group arose from the dinosaur group.

But it's not considered ancestral even by evo's to any modern birds.

Can't be determined and isn't important. It's on a branch that arose from dinosaurs and led to birds. The odds are it's a dead-end twig on that branch because there figure to be more dead-end twigs in the fossil record than there figure to be true ancestors of later forms. The whole trick of dismissing a fossil because somebody said it's probably not a direct ancestor is just dishonest. Thus, it fits right into creation science.

You see, even if not one dino-bird transitional fossil is itself a direct ancestor, they all come off of a trunk that's moving from dinosaur to bird. Thus, there's this bridge of transitionals which only exists because birds came from dinosaurs, and there's no similar bridge from fish to birds or amphibians to birds or mammals to birds. (No, the bat isn't such a bridge. It can fly, but all of its homologies are with tree-dwelling insectivores.)

And there seems to be a great dispute about whether it can truly be linked to the theropods.

Source? That skeleton is far more theropod than bird. I love the way you wave away hard evidence and lots of it with some vague mumble about something somebody said. As if your reading could be trusted. As if your integrity were not suspect at best.

Instead it's just another species. An evolutionary dead end thought to have descended from yet another unknown common ancestor.

Meaningless wave-away. Every movie still-frame is just another still picture in creationist Me-No-See-ist logic.

458 posted on 05/24/2005 7:33:31 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Chiapet
Are you suggesting that if a discovery or principle of this nature is not verifiable by a person of average intelligence and education, then it is, on its face, invalid?

No. What I submit is that we operate a great deal more on the basis of faith than we do on certitude. We trust propositions made to us by science without testing for ourselves whether the statements are true. With respect to the speed of light, that is something science can observe in the present day, though it only treats of one small aspect of light. Even in the matter of the speed of light, the average person lacks the tools and intelligence to measure it.

459 posted on 05/24/2005 7:36:03 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer
(whoops you don't trust [textbooks] as well I see)

Not always. I am not a lap dog. I don't believe everything I read. Maybe you should take a class in critical thinking before you suggest I take a class in basic astronomy.

460 posted on 05/24/2005 7:40:13 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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