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I am not sure if I agree with your analysis. McCain and the RINOs can vote for cloture without supporting the option. The Dems cannot throw in the towel on the cloture vote or the option without seriously alientating their liberal base. Hence, I think it is inevitable for the Dems to face the music on this one.

I am not sure if I agree with your analysis. McCain and the RINOs can vote for cloture without supporting the option. The Dems cannot throw in the towel on the cloture vote or the option without seriously alienating their liberal base. Hence, I think it is inevitable for the Dems to face the music on this one.

Actually I hope I'm wrong.

I would like nothing better than to see the Dems go down in flames even if it was only 50/50 and a Cheney tie-break. It would be one of those moments that last a lifetime. But....I still don't think the Dems will do it. I expect cloture to succeed with exactly 60 votes with selected Dems making up the 5 votes plus any RINO induced shortfall.

"The Dems cannot throw in the towel on the cloture vote or the option without seriously alternating their liberal base."

You are mistaken. The Dem base is more sophisticated than you imagine. They know, as we do, that there is only one thing that matters: Supreme Court Justices. All they have to do is break the Republican will by avoiding the nuclear option vote until the Supreme Court nominees are actually in front of them. By that time, the whole thing should be moot. I would think the Democrats will have firmed up a majority.

I hope I am wrong, but this seems correct.

If I am correct, we Conservatives cannot get discouraged. WE just have to realize that we are fighting a subversive enemy (call it the Left) that has taken over the Dems and the MSM, as well as made a certain penetration into the Republican Party.

We have to stop assuming that our enemies are "well meaning." Hillary murders people. Her mentors, the former KGB, are experts in blackmail. She (and her ilk) now effectively control the Democratic Party.

We need to keep our cool and keep fighting. Its still a minority that wants dictatorship in this country. Most Democrats would oppose Hillary, if they knew the truth about her.

We must convey that truth before 11/2008. If we beat Hillary, all will be well in the long run.

I hope I am wrong about the nuclear option, but it looks like Frist is really on the other side.