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GUN CULTURE THREATENS DEMOCRACY : Gun lobby threatens our very way of life
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence ^ | May 13 | Josh Horowitz

Posted on 05/21/2005 10:42:38 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

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To: Dan from Michigan
...a bill that allows people to use deadly force -- including guns -- when faced with a violent threat, even when a confrontation could be avoided by simply walking away.

A straw man. i.e. a purposive distortion.

101 posted on 05/22/2005 6:46:44 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: goldstategop

Every law-abiding black man and woman should learn to use a firearm. The police cannot save you in the moment of crisis.


102 posted on 05/22/2005 6:54:21 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Dan from Michigan
GUN CULTURE THREATENS DEMOCRACY

Damn right!

We prefer a Republic.

103 posted on 05/22/2005 6:55:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Tax Government
"Every last person reading FR should join NRA. Even if you don't own a gun."

I'd have suggested a citizen militia.

104 posted on 05/22/2005 7:00:55 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Dan from Michigan

When a government of the people...by the people...and for the people...

Fears - The People

We are in trouble...

what I see in this article is a man who wishes to inflame
mistrust between The People and Their Government

He has tolitarian designs on America...He hates both 'The People'and their Government

Naturally in the NWO he expects to be one of the bosses

imo


105 posted on 05/22/2005 7:02:51 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Genocide happens.

It doesn’t happen whenever the would-be targets own guns.


106 posted on 05/22/2005 7:04:38 AM PDT by ezo4
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To: Graymatter

Guns don't protect; people do.>>>>>

Very true, but unfortunately very easily twisted by the left to mean something entirely different from what you are saying.


107 posted on 05/22/2005 7:11:50 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: ccmay

Armed resistance is for when constitutional democracy is usurped. >>>>>>>

Armed resistance is for when the constitutional REPUBLIC is usurped, "constitutional democracy" is a liberal term for something which exists only in their fantasies. Remember that the word "democracy" was never used by the founders to refer to this government, it came into use after WWI and we have steadily drifted into bigger and bigger government ever since. Those who would enslave us first corrupt the language.


108 posted on 05/22/2005 7:17:30 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

In so far as democracy is one of the foundations of socialism, Horowitz is correct that gun ownership is a threat to democracy. Not to constitutional democracy, however, at least as we know it.


109 posted on 05/22/2005 7:23:29 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Bostton1
We can all hang together--or hang separately!

If you are afraid of a list.....You are allready on it.

Ever fill out the yellow sheet? You're on it.

Have a CCW permit? You are on it.

Buy a gun after NICS? You are on the list.

Write your Congressman? Yep, You are on it.

This may seem harsh, but if you haven't addressed the issue, go ahead, cower and wait, and they will eventually come.

Better to make yourself heard.

There is safety in numbers imho, and 4 million of us have a far better chance together than just scattered individuals. After all, this is our RIGHT!

110 posted on 05/22/2005 7:40:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

There are plenty of studies proving that there is far less crime where citizens have guns and can defend themselves. Where guns are restricted or banned, crime rates are higher.

The very people who push for banning guns, they own weapons themselves. "Guns for me, but not for thee."


111 posted on 05/22/2005 7:42:52 AM PDT by ViLaLuz
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To: Dan from Michigan
Everything said about the gun lobby, NRA, and any and all attempts for more stringent legislation to control fire arms ownership is totally, utterly and unarguably useless until someone, anyone can come up with a way to get the criminals among us to pay attention to these laws.
112 posted on 05/22/2005 7:45:50 AM PDT by JoeV1 (Democrat Party-The unlawful and corrupt leading the blind and uneducated)
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To: freepatriot32

Great pictures!


113 posted on 05/22/2005 7:49:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I would imagine if you're a Freeper, you get a gold star next to your name.
I'm not the originator of this quote but a Freepers said while others are burying their guns, others are digging their's up.

My favorite posts are the ones where the guy complains he won't join the NRA because they send him mailings. While others are getting out their checkbooks and supporting freedom, this guy can't make it to the garbage can with a couple of letters.

The NRA did have an article about "Freedom Freeloaders". Eighty Million Gun Owners and only four million NRA members. You can even notice how few gun activists here on FR. Very darned few.


114 posted on 05/22/2005 7:51:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The part that gets me is where so many are willing to allow the issue to be fractionated. If I had a buck for every time I've heard the bit about how someone doesn't have the particular type they want to ban this week, so they don't care if those 'nasty' guns are banned, I'd be able to buy that Barrett .50 and the land to shoot it on.

When those guys are down to a few muzzle loaders,then what?

If we do not all stick up for one another, any upright citizen who wishes to be armed, then we will be nibbled away, just like the Nazis nibbled away at the civillian population of the nations they occupied.

Even 4 million of us, pledged to fight for each other's right to own the firearm of our individual choice can make a difference. Imagine what 10 or 20 million could do-and that is just a fraction of the gun owners out there.

115 posted on 05/22/2005 8:00:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The only way I console myself is I hope they at least vote their Rights when it comes election day.


116 posted on 05/22/2005 8:39:14 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: RipSawyer

>> Guns don't protect; people do.

>>>Very true, but unfortunately very easily twisted by the left

I'm against surrendering slogans too. Isn't the pen mightier?
;)


117 posted on 05/22/2005 9:18:47 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: dbwz

Something that usually escapes the supporters of David Koresh and Randy Weaver are that Koresh was a child molester who thought he was Jesus and Weaver was wanted on bad check charges. They had both broken the law.


118 posted on 05/22/2005 9:24:36 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Bostton1
You may say I need a tinfoil hat, but I don't want to be in the NRA member registry, in case something ever happens.

Well then just send them a hefty anonymous money order.

119 posted on 05/22/2005 9:42:30 AM PDT by Dedbone
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To: SALChamps03
[Koresh was a child molester]


Correction: Koresh was a kook cult leader who thought he was a new Jesus prophet, but there is NO EVIDENCE that he was a child molester. That accusation originated with Janet Reno as an excuse to use force to raid his compound but has never been substantiated by facts known to anyone in the justice department or anywhere else.
120 posted on 05/22/2005 10:02:26 AM PDT by spinestein
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