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Filibusters of judicial nominees led to direct attack on senior senator(Louisiana Vitter/Landrieu)
2theadvocate.com ^ | 05/20/05 | GERARD SHIELDS

Posted on 05/20/2005 8:19:26 AM PDT by Ellesu

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To: yellowdoghunter

Sounds like we have some new blood in there. I think Vitter is the "new guy" I was so impressed with after hearing him speak several months ago. (Forget what the issue was)..but I liked what I heard.


21 posted on 05/20/2005 6:06:44 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: ken5050

Jindal could be Speaker of the House, Senator, or Governor if he wishes. I'm not certain what his ambitions are.

IMO, if Governor is the highest he wishes to step he should stay in the House a few years. If he wishes higher office than Governor, he should run for the Governor office in the next election. If Governor is not essential to him he has two choices. Stay on course for higher leadership in the House Body, or switch to the senate. I can see the value in any of these courses.

What is appealing about being Governor is that it would be yet another House member who knows how not to lose making the RINO's lives miserable.


22 posted on 05/20/2005 6:30:47 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

Correction-last line substitute senator in place of Governor.


23 posted on 05/20/2005 6:32:27 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: yellowdoghunter

well said. It is looking like there are quite a few of the "freshmen" that have some sense. Perhaps this could be the start of a very good thing. I think much of the RINO problem in the Senate is a result of this sort of thing (it just isn't done that way, blah, blah, blah)...we need to make sure that these new guys know we are watching and that we LIKE it when we can see a spine...maybe eventually, the RINO will become extinct.


24 posted on 05/20/2005 7:19:30 PM PDT by Kylie_04
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To: No Dems 2004
Translation of Senator Breaux and Senator Johnston remarks:

"How DARE a Republican expose us Louisiana Democrats for the LIBERALS we are!!! Before Vitter, we had a monopoly on Louisiana's senate delegation for 140 years by conning voters into think we were conservative Democrats. Now we're being exposed for what we are in Louisiana. IT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

25 posted on 05/20/2005 10:52:04 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP - www.NOLaHood.com)
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To: 1Old Pro

She banked on her daddy's DemocRat machine here in Louisiana, Moon Landrieu. It is my driving purpose in life to campaign against here in the next election.


26 posted on 05/20/2005 10:56:02 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: Ellesu

I missed the attack. Did he call her a loser? I do not get it. The left senators are calling the right ever name in the book. I must not be able to read.


27 posted on 05/20/2005 11:17:22 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Brimack34

He spoke her name on the floor instead of "the esteemed senior senator from Louisiana". LOL.


28 posted on 05/21/2005 6:10:16 AM PDT by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu
"Democracies work best by consensus," Landrieu said. "Eliminating the voice of the minority on this issue or any other issue undermines this principle."

Consensus is not minority rule. Landrieu is a dimwit opportunist.

A Senator can't hide behind unanimous consent or cloture to kill a treaty. (Riddick's - Appendix - Forms - and Index - see pp1521- and pp1554-)

This implies that a simple majority is required to postpone indefinitely consideration of a nomination, and that less than a simple majority is not sufficient to postpone indefinitely a decision on the nomination.

How does handling of a nomination tie in with handling of a treaty? They are similar in that both are powers granted to the President. The president has the power to negotiate treaties and present them to the Senate for their advice and consent. The President also has the power to appoint, or seat, judicial and executive officers of *his* choosing, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

It is logically false to equate a failure to obtain unanimous consent or cloture with a vote to reject. Under the first, which the DEMs have implemented, the President is denied the appointment of officers of his choosing, and the denail is implements by less than a simple majority of Senators. Under the Constitutional "to reject the nominee, you must vote on the nominee," a simple majority of Senators would consent to the officers the President has nominated. This is a material difference.

The Senate has erected a supermajority hurdle of ITS OWN CHOOSING. A Senate Rule that did not exist until 1917, and has been amended on numerous occasions since then. If the Senate is free to erect its own hurdle, what's to prevent setting it at 2/3rds, or 3/4th, or 9/10ths? Or to prevent a SINGLE Senator from withholding the vote - exactly the way the Senate worked before cloture? The Constitution, say the DEM Senators, gives the Senate the power to make its own rules. They are right, and they are wrong.

While the Senate is free to make rules that affect only it, it cannot make rules that diminish the power of another branch. The Senate has a DUTY to advice and consent, confirm or reject, each nominee; just as surely as it has a DUTY to render judgement in an impeachment trial. It cannot conduct the trial, and then refuse to vote. It cannot consider a nominee, and then refuse to vote.

In contrast, the power of each House to make its own rules, recited in Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution, clearly applies to matters PURELY internal to its workings. "shall be the Judge of Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own members ... may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."

29 posted on 05/21/2005 6:18:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: geoffreyt
"Mary is so clean."

On the outside maybe. Since she is a supporter of abortion, I consider her kind of ugly inside (heart/soul/mind)...

30 posted on 05/21/2005 6:38:02 AM PDT by FireTrack
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To: Ellesu

Allowing nominations with a simple majority would practically guarantee approval of all Republican nominations.



Really?.... You don't say. Now who would have thought it?.... That Senator is really smart....

It would also guarantee apporval of all Democrat nominations, but then the Republicans have never used a partisan filibuster to deny a democrat an up/down vote once on the Senate floor. Moonbat knows that or should.


31 posted on 05/21/2005 6:56:10 AM PDT by deport (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue....)
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To: geoffreyt

I would not kick her out of bed, however I sure as hell would not vote for her. :)


32 posted on 05/21/2005 1:05:25 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: Ellesu; All
"I have never seen anything like that in my 32 years of Congress," Breaux said. "I think it was unprecedented and in bad taste."

Former U.S. Sen. J. Bennett Johnston, D-La., served in the Senate for 25 years ending in 1997. He also watched the speech. "That is just not done," Johnston said.

My response to Johnston and Breaux would be: "When you guys start paying as much attention to upholding the actual Constitution, to which you swore a solemn oath, as you do your precious Senate Rules, then I will once more consider referring to you as "the honorable Senator from LA".

33 posted on 05/21/2005 1:21:30 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: Ellesu
We need to pressure Red State Democrats. Landreau barely won the election last time.
34 posted on 05/21/2005 1:30:08 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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