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Carrier America sunk off coast
Daily Press ^ | 5/20/2005 | Peter DuJardin

Posted on 05/20/2005 7:09:57 AM PDT by wjersey

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To: Strategerist
you may have seen the documentaries on it, they drag the ships up on the beach

Those documentaries were incredible.

21 posted on 05/20/2005 7:25:15 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Josh in PA

Modern supercarriers have never been subjected to attack and therefore there is little real-world engineering data on how the design bears up. The explosive tests that eventually killed the ship simulated enemy attack, measuring precisely how the ship survives bombardment. That data will be factored into the design of the new class CV.


Better protecting the next several generations of carrier sailors seems a cause worthy of the sacrifice of a gallant ship.


22 posted on 05/20/2005 7:25:17 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Josh in PA

Think about this - for maybe the first and only time, weapons manufacturers (and users) get to try out their weapons designed to take out an enemy ship the size of the America. Many of these weapons are designed and built using acquired knowledge from years of experiments and extrapolation. Yet, the real test is "weapon against an actual intended target" to see if it meets design expectations.

The America, whose worthy and honorable past would be enough by itself, continued to serve the Navy and the men and women in uniform through the sacrifice of itself for knowledge sake. Salutes rendered!


23 posted on 05/20/2005 7:25:48 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: wjersey
Ah, what carrier was sunk in 1951 !?
24 posted on 05/20/2005 7:25:49 AM PDT by austinite
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To: wjersey; Constitution Day
"She declined to say where the ship now sits, except that it was 50 nautical miles - or about 58 miles - off the coast, and more than 6,000 feet below the surface."

That can't be North Carolina, could it?

25 posted on 05/20/2005 7:27:09 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud

Wow! Maybe off the continental shelf, but I don't know.


26 posted on 05/20/2005 7:29:49 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Tatze
The tests were to study the effect of certain types of explosives (weapons) on the hull. What they learn from this will save lives on future ships,

That was just a cover and a way to salvage something from a liberal decision to get rid of a valuable military asset. There is no excuse or justification for it.
27 posted on 05/20/2005 7:29:54 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Strategerist
(you may have seen the documentaries on it, they drag the ships up on the beach);

Every man for himself. Cutting torches and hand labor - amazing how it's done there.

28 posted on 05/20/2005 7:30:04 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: G.Mason

You don't think we have thrown enough trash in the oceans? $100 Million playhouse for fish. Sounds like a wise use of tax dollars to me...


29 posted on 05/20/2005 7:30:58 AM PDT by Normal4me
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To: azhenfud
more than 6,000 feet below the surface."

I guess it won't be used for a recreational dive reef.

30 posted on 05/20/2005 7:31:14 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: wjersey

This blows. I'm heart broken. I'm getting very old.


31 posted on 05/20/2005 7:31:31 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: skimbell

Quote: If the Chicom agents actually get a woody from going over a 32 year old American ship-do we really care?


The F-15 and F-16 are 30-35 year old planes BUT have extensive refits and new avionics etc. The b-52 was designed in 1952 I believe. Probaly the same with the carrier.


32 posted on 05/20/2005 7:31:55 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: wjersey

Millions of dollars to sink a 84 thousand ton ship? Why, that is a lot of scrap metal that could have been reused?


33 posted on 05/20/2005 7:33:19 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Josh in PA

Salvage??? This ship carried thousands of tons of avgas, diesel, lubricants, explosives, electrical insulation, and surely nuclear weapons for more than 30 years. It was in effect a floating toxic waste dump that no scrap yard would take. Notice they scuttled it carefully rather than using the Navy's favorite way of getting rid of old ships: live war shots.


34 posted on 05/20/2005 7:33:43 AM PDT by GRANGER (Earth First -- We'll log the other planets later.)
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To: Josh in PA

That's what I was thinking. If ever there was a case for recycling, an aircraft carrier is it!!!


35 posted on 05/20/2005 7:34:00 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: austinite
Ah, what carrier was sunk in 1951 !?

USS Independence.

36 posted on 05/20/2005 7:34:23 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Normal4me

They should have put it in 400' of water, at least make a fishable reef out of it.


37 posted on 05/20/2005 7:35:42 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Support John Kerry......... Ho Chi Minh would. Damn! Now I need a new tagline.)
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To: wjersey
It's always depressing when a venerable old tool such as the America loses her dignity. A ship of the line takes on the collective character of all the crews that ever served aboard her. Perhaps such a burial is the best way to end the career of a warship.

I have always thought it best to avoid mourning the passing of ships like the America. Rather former crew members and others that respect a job well done should celebrate her existence and the role she played in a watershed era. Crew members should feel pride in a job well done.

There will be many poignant moments to come. There will be reunions for half a century. The problem will be that there can never be new members to the list of attendees. Those available to attend will grow fewer every month. Still, attendees can have fun keeping up with the changes in the lives of old friends. They just need to remember that the USS America was a ship worth celebrating.

38 posted on 05/20/2005 7:35:45 AM PDT by stevem
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To: azhenfud
That can't be North Carolina, could it?


39 posted on 05/20/2005 7:41:19 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: superiorslots
Yeah, I know. F-14's are even older and they have the good stuff.

If W's "football" was accidentally left on Old Ironsides that would make her a very technologically sensitive ship too.

I simply assumed that the real goodies would have been removed first.

40 posted on 05/20/2005 7:42:25 AM PDT by skimbell
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