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Judicial Slugfest Could Cause Bruising
LA Times ^ | 5/19/5 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 05/19/2005 3:43:33 PM PDT by SmithL

Edited on 05/19/2005 3:48:03 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Both political parties have begun the showdown over judicial nominations in a weakened position, facing low approval ratings for their performance in Congress that compound the political risks in the confrontation.

Few strategists expect any of the arguments over the GOP's bid to thwart Senate filibusters to sway many voters in the 2006 elections. But many analysts believe the conflict could increase and solidify the public antagonism toward Washington surfacing in polls

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; brownstein; congress; constitutionaloption; democratnukereaction; filibuster; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown; ussenate

1 posted on 05/19/2005 3:43:36 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
impedes action on problems more tangible to voters, (like) gasoline prices

Gas prices are down 25 cents in the last month.

Do these reporters simply make up the news they want to hear or what?

2 posted on 05/19/2005 3:46:35 PM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: SmithL
But many analysts believe the conflict could increase and solidify the public antagonism toward Washington surfacing in polls — especially if the dispute, as is likely, deepens Capitol Hill's partisan acrimony and impedes action on problems more tangible to voters, from gasoline prices to Social Security.

I think I heard Nancy Pelosi on the radio saying almost these exact words. She is truly one of the "many analysts" the LATimes consults.

3 posted on 05/19/2005 3:47:07 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: SmithL

You can bet Rove is doing the math on this.

The dems are apparently hoping they are trapping us by forcing a response to their outrageous, deeply discriminatory behavior. We'll see.


4 posted on 05/19/2005 3:49:45 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: SmithL
Few strategists expect any of the arguments over the GOP's bid to thwart Senate filibusters to sway many voters in the 2006 elections.

Are these the same experts that have such an excellent track record on Bush's policy in the WOT?

If we daschle half the Senate they still will say it has ntohing to do with this issue.

5 posted on 05/19/2005 3:56:13 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: SmithL
Has the entire media and the Senate gone crazy? Is no one listening or wanting to hear the truth? Even Fox News is not helping to clear this up so let me try one more time.

DURING THE FIRST BUSH TERM TOM DASCHLE AND HIS MERRY BAND OF OBFUSCATORS CHANGED THE RULES IN THE SENATE AND TRIED TO FILIBUSTER THE JUDICAL NOMINEES - HE LOST HIS SENATE SEAT OVER THIS.

NEITHER THE FILIBUSTER NOR A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE IS PART OF THE ADVICE AND CONSENT ROLE IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION - AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ACCORDING TO CONSTITUTIONAL RULES IS THE ONLY OPTION OPEN TO THE SENATE. ALL ELSE IS PETTY POLITICS.

SENATOR BILL FRIST IS TRYING TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTIONAL RULES.

SENATOR HARRY REID IS ASKING THAT HIS PARTY SCRAP THE UNITED STATES CONSTITION IN FAVOR OF THE TOM DASCHLE RULE CHANGE.

Can no one understand this? Please e-mail your list with these facts and contact your Senators – we must follow the United States Constitution on this if we are to keep a Constitution at all.

6 posted on 05/19/2005 4:03:40 PM PDT by yoe
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To: SmithL
Few strategists expect any of the arguments over the GOP's bid to thwart Senate filibusters

Note how this is the GOP's fault, Not the Dem's fault for stifiling the process and bringing the Senate to a screeching halt.

7 posted on 05/19/2005 4:09:54 PM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: yoe
Okay. I'm getting pretty tired of hearing this, so I hope you can clarify one thing for me. Prior to D'assh@%& "changing the rules," what do you contend the "rules" were with regard to filibusters of nominees? How about cloture on nominees?
8 posted on 05/19/2005 4:11:06 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: SmithL
facing low approval ratings for their performance in Congress that compound the political risks in the confrontation.

This would NOT have happened if the GOP had put filibustering nominees at the very TOP of their priority list and taken an initial hit immediately after the new congress had been sworn in.

All that letting this process drag on and on and on and on did was to give the LAT and other liberal mouthpieces a chance to give the GOP a death by a thousand cuts until now it's the GOP fault for obstructing the Constitution instead of the Dems fault for obstructing the nominees.

Our leadership is worthless.

9 posted on 05/19/2005 4:13:18 PM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: lugsoul
cloture - "The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes."

I assume the 'other matter' would be judicial nominees. Filibuster is used often on legislative bills, but rarely if ever for the judicial. I personally think the United States Constitution is etched in granite - when it is tampered with in anyway to appease some political hurty feelings, the whole document becomes null and void. We are so very lucky to have such a Constitution, yet year after year there are those who abuse and trample it.

Go back to the first Bush term in office and see how Tom Daschle and gang changed the rules to suit themselves. These are the rules that Harry Reid is fighting so hard for and they are wrong now and were wrong then. Our Senators must uphold the U.S. Constitution what ever the fight is over. However, as long as notables like Sandy Berger can get away with a major crime, people are going to take more and more license with breaking the law rather than obeying it. Our elected government is not setting the right example for the nation by sliding over Constitutional Law nor was allowing the inclusive democratic voter fraud in Milwaukee to go unaddressed. It seems only the Republicans are made to address their mistakes openly to one and all; I can only surmise that more is expected of a Republican than a Democrat. Republicans by and large are an honest lot, something one cannot say of a Democrat.

10 posted on 05/19/2005 5:09:44 PM PDT by yoe
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To: lugsoul
what do you contend the "rules" were with regard to filibusters of nominees?

Silly, he's talking about the Constitutional Rule. You gotta look real close, but it's right there in the shadows of the Constitution's Advice and Consent clause, after the word "consent"--it says "by up or down vote only". See it? Squint real hard. The emanation's pretty vague, but I *ahem*swear it's there. Really.

11 posted on 05/19/2005 5:14:29 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: KidGlock
Do these reporters simply make up the news they want to hear or what?

It's called Voight-Kampff. In answer to your query their instructions are written down for them. They are designed to engineer a reaction.

Yes, they are here to tell us we don't really care about this issue. Imagining that they know us (and we are stupid and pliable), they suggest what we really care about, and suggest exactly how we'll vote next time, and they'll continue to suggest it louder and LOUDER right up until the votes are counted, and then they'll scratch their heads and wonder, "Are they even more stupid than we thought? Maybe they didn't get the message(s)"?

12 posted on 05/19/2005 6:23:37 PM PDT by kcar (The UNsucks.com)
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To: yoe

That was a long answer without an answer. You keep saying "changed the rules." From what? What was the rule before it was changed? Under what circumstances was a filibuster against a nominee prohibited by "rules" prior to 2000?


13 posted on 05/19/2005 6:42:57 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Sandy

I don't know you. But I like you.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 6:43:44 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: SmithL
Ronald Brownstein thinks next year will be a 'peat of '94. Liberals are grasping for straws.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
15 posted on 05/19/2005 6:45:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: KidGlock
Do these reporters simply make up the news they want to hear or what?

Dan Rather

Jayson Blair

Newsweek

Yes they do

16 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:56 PM PDT by Cowman (Just when you hit the bottom of the stupid hole you notice the guy next to you is digging)
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To: yoe

I've contacted Clinton and Schumer and received canned replies about the evils of the "nuclear option". I'll try again with really big type.


17 posted on 05/19/2005 7:37:44 PM PDT by RedRover (Moab is my washpot.)
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To: lugsoul

I think you know as well as I do that there wasn't so much a change in the "rules" of the Senate as written, but in the Senate practice, or the interpretation and implementation of the "rules".

Now it it quite true that, as you correctly point out, the COntratution doesn't tell the Senate how to carry out its duty to "advise and consent". Therefore, the Republicans, as the party in power, have a perfectly normal, entirely respectable prerogative to decide how the Senate will carry out this duty. It is interesting to note that in doing so, the Republicans aren't going to change the "rules" either. Only interpret them a bit differently.

Democrats are going to have to wake up to the fact that the elections are over, and they lost.


18 posted on 05/20/2005 1:00:52 AM PDT by John Valentine (Whoop dee doo)
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To: John Valentine

That's "Constitution" to all you people with fingers narrower than my 2.76 inches per finger.


19 posted on 05/20/2005 1:02:06 AM PDT by John Valentine (Whoop dee doo)
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To: SmithL

20 posted on 05/20/2005 1:06:37 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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