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Lawrence (of Arabia's) Unhappy Legacy Still Casts a Shadow over the Middle East
The Telegraph ^ | May 19, 2005 | James Barr

Posted on 05/19/2005 2:14:50 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: dighton

Interesting. In the movie, he was raped. (The DVD backup makes it clear - they even have Jose Ferrer describing the director's intentions.) I wonder if it's true that he wasn't actually raped in real life.


41 posted on 05/19/2005 4:42:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
Callimichs was famous for his saying, "mega biblion, mega kakon." (A big book is a bad book). I hope that isn't the case with ours :)

Actually, if you look on the back page of today's Wall Street Journal, second section, I think, you'll see a terrific review of PHUSA.

42 posted on 05/19/2005 4:55:06 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

Cool. I guess I'll check it out, and do multiple renewals until I get through it. They let me keep "Knowledge and Decisions" for three months, because nobody else in the county wanted it :-).


43 posted on 05/19/2005 4:56:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick
I read "K&D" years ago. I can't really say I understood it that well---it seemed commonsense.

BTW, I sent Sowell a copy of PHUSA, and he sent me back a copy of his new book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals"---no comment, no card saying thank you. He's an odd guy.

44 posted on 05/19/2005 5:01:18 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

Yes, I get the clear impression that Dr. Sowell is a crank :-). Oh, well. I plan to be a crank when I'm in my 70's, too.

If I like your book (as far as I can tell in 2 weeks) I'll buy it for the Permanent Collection. We don't have a survey history of the US on the shelf.


45 posted on 05/19/2005 5:05:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: Tax-chick

If you are as smart as Sowell is, you can afford to be a crank.


46 posted on 05/19/2005 5:05:59 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

I might be as smart as Thomas Sowell, but I'm not not as educated. And he's one of the handful where additional education was worthwhile! Maybe I'll catch up in my Declining Years, when my kids are supporting me in the style I deserve :-).

Until then, I've got the library!


47 posted on 05/19/2005 5:07:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: elcid1970; dighton; aculeus
Was not the entire movie shot in Jordan?

The Nefud scenes were filmed in Morocco. The officers club (located in Cairo in the film) is actually the Plaza de España in Sevilla Spain (at least the outdoor scenes).

48 posted on 05/19/2005 6:26:06 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Borges

ARRGH! I guess I asked for that one! I've got another one for you that you've probably heard. I'm allowed to tell it because of being ex-Navy (my disclaimer).

Sailor to Marine: You know, you guys are just a Department of the Navy.

Marine: Yeah, the Men's Department.

Regards,


49 posted on 05/19/2005 7:26:02 PM PDT by brushcop (Remember SFC David Salie, a gentle giant of a man KIA (2-14-05) Iraq fighting for their liberty.)
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To: Tax-chick

I thought so, thanks


50 posted on 05/19/2005 8:25:09 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: dighton

Thank you. I'll see the movie differently next time.


51 posted on 05/19/2005 8:27:03 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: brushcop

Aaron Sorkin wrote an amusing exchange between a Marine and a Naval Officer in 'A Few Good Men': The former said to the latter: "I like you Navy boys. Anytime there's some fighting to be done, you guys always give us a ride."


52 posted on 05/19/2005 8:29:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Billthedrill

is "buggery" an actual word?


53 posted on 05/20/2005 12:27:24 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

what?...no Pappillon?


54 posted on 05/20/2005 12:28:34 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

Yes.


55 posted on 05/20/2005 12:50:41 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: cherry

It was good, but not one of my favs...I did read the book the year it hit paperback...an impressive story.


56 posted on 05/20/2005 5:00:52 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: quidnunc
>created a reservoir of deep resentment on which opponents >of the West have regularly drawn. In his first public >statement after September 11, Osama bin Laden reminded the >world that "our nation has been tasting humiliation and >contempt for more than 80 years". Today, the legacy of the >campaign Lawrence fought with the tribesmen of north-west >Arabia remains indelibly imprinted on the modern Middle >East.

"tasting humiliation and contempt for more than 80 years"

Yes - from other Arabs. There is no such thing as an Arab any more than there is a European. Same goes for Muslims.

The first chapter of "Seven Pillars" details all of this. An ideal introduction to gaining an ethnography of Arabia.
57 posted on 05/20/2005 5:06:30 AM PDT by PzGr43
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To: quidnunc

"...so long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are."


While it may not be historically accurate, it is a great flick.


58 posted on 05/20/2005 5:11:41 AM PDT by djf (Sheep logic, or why sheep aren't mathematicians: I'll give up my freedom to preserve freedom)
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To: Tax-chick

Where did this phrase appear:

"In submitting to the Bey, I gave away the only gift we are born into the world with: our bodily integrity..."

In 1965 I read that the Bey, nearly 90, visited the U.S. to denounce the rape scene and how Turks were depicted generally.

Is it not true that the Turkish flag shown in the movie, with crescent and star on a red background, did not exist prior to the creation of the Turkish republic by Kemal Ataturk, in scenes depicting the Arab Revolt 1915-1918?


59 posted on 05/20/2005 3:06:52 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: quidnunc

Re: "...the British approached Sherif Husein, a direct descendant of Mohammed, who also ruled Mecca, and encouraged him to revolt."

"...a direct descendant of Mohammed..." eh?

I guess we can tell which side of the bread James Barr butters...


60 posted on 05/20/2005 3:14:20 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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