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Government questions patients' right to treatment
Scotsman ^ | Thu 19 May 2005 | ANGUS HOWARTH

Posted on 05/18/2005 9:34:56 PM PDT by unseen

Government questions patients' right to treatment

ANGUS HOWARTH

A RIGHT of patients to demand life-prolonging treatment has "very serious implications" for National Health Service resources, appeal judges were told yesterday.

The health department claimed that if a right to artificial nutrition or hydration (ANH) treatment was established, patients would be able to demand other life-prolonging treatments.

The argument was put forward yesterday by the government as Patricia Hewitt, the Health Secretary, intervened in a General Medical Council challenge to a High Court ruling which was hailed at the time as a breakthrough for the rights of terminally-ill patients.

Leslie Burke, 45, who has a degenerative brain condition, won the right last July to stop doctors withdrawing artificial nutrition or hydration treatment until he dies naturally. That decision is being challenged by the GMC, which wants to reverse the ruling.

Philip Sales, representing the Health Secretary, told a panel of three appeal judges headed by the Master of the Rolls, Lord Phillips: "A general right, as identified by the judge in the High Court, for an individual patient to require life-prolonging medical treatment has very serious implications for the functioning of the NHS. It may be interpreted as giving patients the right to demand certain treatments, contrary to the considered judgment of their medical team, that would lead to patients obtaining access to treatment that is not appropriate for them, and to inefficient [and unfairly skewed] use of resources within the NHS."

Mr Burke, of Mardale Road, Lancaster, who suffers from cerebellar ataxia, was in court in his wheelchair yesterday listening to the arguments for overturning the ruling, which he believes will save him from death by starvation, or thirst if ANH was withdrawn after he loses the ability to communicate.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cary; government; healthcare; power; pullingtheplug; righttolife; socializedmedicine; terrischiavo
This is why Terri's case was so important. Now it is the government, soon it will be the insurance companies. Pretty soon they will just take you out behind the hospital and shoot you to end your "pain"
1 posted on 05/18/2005 9:34:57 PM PDT by unseen
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Hey if the illegal Mexicans can demand it and get it, and if the deadbeat welfareites can get it, I want it too.


2 posted on 05/18/2005 9:54:51 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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This is why Terri's case was so important. Now it is the government, soon it will be the insurance companies.

Now you know why I was so skeptical of the political grandstanding over this case. The President is her boss, she speaks for him.

3 posted on 05/18/2005 9:59:38 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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I believe this is in England.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 10:05:47 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: TruthConquers

Scottish news direct from Scotland


5 posted on 05/19/2005 3:30:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: unseen

"It may be interpreted as giving patients the right to demand certain treatments, contrary to the considered judgment of their medical team, that would lead to patients obtaining access to treatment that is not appropriate for them, and to inefficient [and unfairly skewed] use of resources within the NHS."

That is the single most scary sentence I've ever read. This is horrifying. If perchance I need to be put on a ventilator, my mind intact, but my breathing impaired, does this mean that "inefficient [and unfairly skewed] use of resources within the NHS," would be considered before my welfare and possible recovery?

Anyone remember C.S. Lewis' novel, That Hideous Strength? Sounds like he had a vision of the future.


6 posted on 05/19/2005 3:38:00 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote gop)
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To: unseen
A RIGHT of patients to demand life-prolonging treatment has "very serious implications" for National Health Service resources, appeal judges were told yesterday.

The health department claimed that if a right to artificial nutrition or hydration (ANH) treatment was established, patients would be able to demand other life-prolonging treatments.

Within reason, I agree. Each case should have to be judged objectively on its own merits. If there is a reasonable chance of recovery with a patient returning to some quality of life, so be it; all reasonable resources should be directed toward effectuating that outcome.

However, if there is no (or little) chance of of returning some quality of life, sad though it may be, medical resources are not infinite and should be dispensed rationally.

Lest I be accused of hypocrisy, I have already signed a DNR order with limited artifical hydration and nutritution when my time arrives...which as it turns out, may not be that far down the road!

7 posted on 05/19/2005 3:42:09 AM PDT by infocats
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Do no harm, unless that harm is found to be beneficial to the socialist state.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 3:45:22 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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However, if there is no (or little) chance of of returning some quality of life, sad though it may be, medical resources are not infinite and should be dispensed rationally. That's fine but WHO is to say what is dispensed and what isn't. Who gets to play God. And what if the medical community discovers a new way to treat the condition that grants the life back. No thank you, I do not trust our elected officials to be able to play God they are no better than I nor you. It should be the person or family of the person to make that decision not the government or insurance companies
9 posted on 05/19/2005 6:50:20 AM PDT by unseen
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To: B4Ranch

Thank You. I saw the source, but didn't know there was a Lancaster in Scotland.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 8:10:46 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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That's fine but WHO is to say what is dispensed and what isn't. Who gets to play God. And what if the medical community discovers a new way to treat the condition that grants the life back. No thank you, I do not trust our elected officials to be able to play God they are no better than I nor you. It should be the person or family of the person to make that decision not the government or insurance companies

I should think that the medical personnel are in the best position to make those difficult decisions. Families are in the least good position because of the intense emotional involvement and stress that they are understandably under.

It should definately not be either a governmental or insurance decision.

11 posted on 05/19/2005 8:13:25 AM PDT by infocats
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You are so right. It sounds like to me this man only wants to NOT be starved and dehydrated to death. That is ALL he wants. He already knows he is going to die. He just doesn't want to die like Teri did. Her death, I would guess, gave him nightmares.


12 posted on 05/19/2005 8:16:27 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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But then Doctors can be pressured by insurance companies with money incentives or by the government(licenses). No, the best person to make that decision is YOU or your closest loved one but then like Terri's husband they could have a gain in the case too. The best possible case is to give the best care, and if you can keep them alive do so. Only if the person has stated they do not want that then should care be withdrawn. When you are talking about life Healthcare should always side with life over death. We are not God.
13 posted on 05/19/2005 10:22:08 AM PDT by unseen
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But then Doctors can be pressured by insurance companies with money incentives or by the government(licenses). No, the best person to make that decision is YOU or your closest loved one but then like Terri's husband they could have a gain in the case too. The best possible case is to give the best care, and if you can keep them alive do so. Only if the person has stated they do not want that then should care be withdrawn. When you are talking about life Healthcare should always side with life over death. We are not God.

I don't pretend to have all of the answers...or even any of them for that matter. What I do know is that we have limited resources to pay for these services and that by expending a disproportionate share on one, will deprive someone else who might be better served.

Health care should (and generally does) side with life over death.

Perhaps, a partial solution would be an aggressive promotional program educating people on the desirability of signing living wills, DNR's etc. to avoid the unnecessary (and expensive) complications as in the Schiavo case.

14 posted on 05/19/2005 10:41:43 AM PDT by infocats
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I saw the source, but didn't know there was a Lancaster in Scotland.

Actually, Lancaster is in Lancashire, which is in North-West England. The "Scotsman" doesn't just report the news in Scotland!

15 posted on 05/19/2005 11:36:29 AM PDT by David Hunter
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That explains it, Thank You.


16 posted on 05/19/2005 4:30:32 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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