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Bayh says he's Clinton, but he's a bit Gore too
The Hill ^ | 5/18/05 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 05/18/2005 7:20:42 AM PDT by areafiftyone

Sen. Evan Bayh’s (D-Ind.) inner circle of advisers stresses two points about the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries: Their man’s record as a popular two-term governor and his ability to appeal to voters in the “reddest of red” states.

President Bush won a handful of states in 2004 — Wyoming with 72 percent of the vote, Utah, Idaho, North Dakota and Alaska — by wider margins than he won Indiana, but Bayh’s state was still one of the president’s strongest supporters. Bush carried it with 60 percent of the vote in 2004, while Bayh secured 62 percent of the Hoosier state’s vote.

His supporters cite that as evidence of his ability to attract centrists and conservatives at a time when Democrats in Washington are wrestling with the question of how to broaden their appeal in the aftermath of a bitterly disappointing election last November.

Anita Dunn, Bayh’s media consultant, said the senator won nearly 40 percent of the votes of self-identified evangelical voters, whom Bush’s political team targeted in its get-out-the-vote efforts last year.

When Bayh was first elected governor in 1988, he became the youngest governor in the country and was first Democrat to win the state in 20 years — evidence, his advisers now say, that he can do what many party colleagues say is nearly impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate: win in a solidly Republican state.

The GOP controls Indiana’s governor’s mansion, both chambers of the state Legislature and seven of nine seats in the U.S. House. But Bayh enjoys a 70 percent approval rating.

One Democratic insider said Bayh and former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), the party’s veep nominee last year, are the most active probable candidates for 2008.

A recent focus group in Iowa conducted by Bayh’s allies showed that likely caucus voters there would be willing to support a lesser-known presidential candidate running, National Journal’s Hotline reported.

But a nationwide Marist College poll last month showed that Bayh attracted less than 1 percent support from likely Democratic voters in a hypothetical primary.

He will not say yet whether he’s running for president, but his pollster, Paul Maslin, said, “at this stage of the game, what I’ve told people is that he’s doing everything possible to prepare himself for a possible run for the presidency.

“He has to make a decision by the end of next year.”

At the beginning of this year, Bayh hired Maslin, who worked on former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign, and Steve Bouchard, who last year ran America Coming Together’s operations in Ohio, to operate his leadership political action committee.

Bayh’s undeclared campaign stresses his accomplishment as governor, a record that draws comparisons to former Arkansas Gov. and President Bill Clinton.

During the late ’80s and early to mid-’90s, Bayh balanced the state budget, and he left office with a $1 billion surplus, his former gubernatorial aides say. Bayh did not sign a significant tax increase, and he helped cut middle class taxes. He worked with Republicans to pass a major education initiative, which provided college scholarships to Indiana students who graduated from high school with good grades and stayed drug-free, his supporters point out.

Bayh’s allies credit the so-called Twenty-first Century Scholars Program with boosting the number of students who matriculated to college after graduating from high school.

Bayh, like Clinton, believes fiscal discipline is the necessary condition for enacting a liberal — or, as Bayh prefers to call it, progressive — legislative agenda.

“I think there is a similar philosophy of getting your economic house in order and then doing things to create opportunity for the next generation,” Dunn said. Perhaps that is not surprising, given that Bayh for the past four years has chaired the Democratic Leadership Council, a centrist Democratic leadership organization that played a prominent role in Clinton’s 1992 White House campaign.

Like Clinton, longtime friends, observers and even former opponents describe Bayh as very intelligent and very hardworking. Doug Richardson, who covered Bayh for several years as a statehouse correspondent for the Associated Press, recalled that Bayh “would pretty much write his State of the State addresses line for line and rehearse them until almost 10 minutes before he was to go” in front of an audience.

Richardson also remembers that the first time that Bayh signed an execution order “he went through all the records himself” and wrote the convict’s attorney a “10- or 15-page explanation for why he was going to let it go through,” a level of personal attention that Richardson said is rare for other governors.

Bill Moreau, an Indianapolis attorney who served as Bayh’s chief of staff during his first gubernatorial term, said Bayh immersed himself in complex policy details, such as labyrinthine regulations governing Indiana’s water standards and educational funding.

“We could rely on the fact that if we got homework to the governor by 5 o’clock in the afternoon, by the next morning we would have a reaction,” Moreau said, “and woe unto you if you attached an article that you hadn’t read yourself or read in detail. The next day he would have 50 questions about the thing you submitted to him.”

Since being elected to the Senate in 1998, Bayh has taken seats on the Armed Services Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence. Recently, he has spearheaded the fight to pay for more armored Humvees, successfully attaching to the military supplemental appropriations bill last month an amendment providing $213 million for additional “up-armored” vehicles. Bayh voted for the invasion of Iraq, and, to the relief of future supporters, also for the subsequent $87 billion bill funding it.

Jennifer Duffy, an analyst with the Cook Political Report, said the national-security expertise Bayh has acquired in the Senate complements the strong domestic-policy record he compiled as governor.

Bayh’s well-rounded résumé and his popularity in a red state prompt many Democratic insiders to say he is a “great candidate on paper.” But that description is used so often that it sometimes sounds like a backhanded compliment.

The senator’s wonkishness and “hands on” approach to complex policy problems — his tendency to “micromanage” — could draw comparisons to former Vice President Al Gore, as well as Clinton, especially considering Bayh’s reputation for being stiff.

“He can somehow be personable, wooden and awkward at the same time,” political analyst Stuart Rothenberg wrote in a recent column that prompted a few reporters on Capitol Hill to chuckle knowingly.

Duffy, the Cook Political Report analyst, said, “No one would ever accuse Evan Bayh of exuding charisma.”

“In a setting of six or eight people sitting around a table, he’s smart and engaging,” said Duffy, who has had dinner with Bayh. “When he gets up to the podium, he’s not somebody who just lights up a crowd.”

Paul Helmke, Fort Wayne’s former Republican mayor, who ran against Bayh for Senate in 1998, said it was almost impossible to ruffle him: “He comes across as a little too perfect. You almost had the feeling of wanting to slice through his forearm to see if there were wires or skin, blood and bones.

“It was hard to get him flustered on any issue. I think that was part of a strategy; when there’s something controversial, it’s better to be wooden than a lightning rod.”

Moreau, Bayh’s former chief of staff, who has known Bayh since his father, former Sen. Birch Bayh (D-Ind.), ran for president in 1976, hotly disputes that his friend is boring.

“Those of us who know him, and that means millions and millions of Hoosiers, would never call him bland,” Moreau said.

But Richard Gordon, a member of Bayh’s kitchen cabinet who also first met the lawmaker during his father’s White House campaign, said he can understand why observers see Bayh has unexciting.

“That’s all very fair,” he said, “He’s a very studious type of person, he’s very intellectual, a very smart guy. Sometimes I feel in that being very thoughtful it is not the type of thing where you’re going to jump out of your seat yelling and screaming.”

But, Gordon said, Bayh can connect with audiences: “What I’ve noticed about Bayh is that people are listening to him attentively. You can hear a pin drop. They’re with him. They don’t want a showman. They don’t want someone to put on a play for them. They want someone to touch them.”


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To: thoughtomator

Bingo!

The good folks of Indiana need to reture this clown and replace him with a pro-American politician.


21 posted on 05/18/2005 7:38:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: areafiftyone
This is truly funny. I can just imagine the Moveon ("we own the Democratic Party") crowd now: "we didn't like John Kerry, but we supported him because we were told he was 'electable.' Even with a stupid hideous chimp opponent -- the worst president in the history of the country -- the 'electable' choice couldn't win. This time we will not make the same mistake. We will vote with our heart. Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich. Period."

What are the chances of the "we own the Democratic Party" crowd voting with their head again?

Not to mention his "moderate" record on abortion -- the Now gang and their allies will make his life miserable. And then, he will "compromise" his views so as to win more of their support. And then he will be a FLIP FLOPPER.

He will be valuable, however, in attacking the She Devil.

22 posted on 05/18/2005 7:41:39 AM PDT by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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A message to all Freepers from one of your own:
23 posted on 05/18/2005 7:43:02 AM PDT by captain1140
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To: areafiftyone
This is truly funny. I can just imagine the Moveon ("we own the Democratic Party") crowd now: "we didn't like John Kerry, but we supported him because we were told he was 'electable.' Even with a stupid hideous chimp opponent -- the worst president in the history of the country -- the 'electable' choice couldn't win. This time we will not make the same mistake. We will vote with our heart. Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich. Period."

What are the chances of the "we own the Democratic Party" crowd voting with their head again?

Not to mention his "moderate" record on abortion -- the Now gang and their allies will make his life miserable. And then, he will "compromise" his views so as to win more of their support. And then he will be a FLIP FLOPPER.

He will be valuable, however, in attacking the She Devil.

24 posted on 05/18/2005 7:43:15 AM PDT by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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A message to all Freepers from one of your own:
25 posted on 05/18/2005 7:43:19 AM PDT by captain1140
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To: HateBill

Whoops -- sorry for double post.


26 posted on 05/18/2005 7:44:02 AM PDT by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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To: areafiftyone
"...Clinton, but he's a bit Gore too...."

Not a strong selling point. I wouldn't brag. Heh, heh, heh...
27 posted on 05/18/2005 7:44:38 AM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: captain1140

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Since May 17, 2005


28 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:24 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: areafiftyone

And this was a man reported to be a "conservative" governor in the state of Indiana.


29 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:32 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (<insert clever, witty, or silly statement here>)
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To: areafiftyone

So he's a "quite lame," and "really lame?" :)


30 posted on 05/18/2005 7:50:23 AM PDT by MsJefferson (Self-evident)
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To: areafiftyone
They would take anyone that they thought would win, that was the whole rational behind Kerry, and they managed to shush the leftists then. Remember Dean?

They would nominate Henry Ford himself if they thought he would get the votes. The party would control him. They are communists, for crying out loud.

Have you seen the new "Class Warfare" Agitprop movement that is developing: The NYT times "Class Matters" series or this new "www.one.org" Aids/poverty "movement." Their commercials started last night.

There will be wave upon wave of this sort of thing starting now and building to the election. At first it will be "nonpartisan," but in 07 they will put faces behind that rhetoric, and they shall make Health, jobs, globalism and jobs the cutting edge of this socialist onslaught.. Bayh will be one of those faces.

They will find ready takers in the population. Perhaps not enough, but they will be there.

BY 08 there will be so many manufactured scandals, so many knotted lies on the tip of the public's tongue, that it will be almost impossible to say anything rational in the media.

This wave of agitprop will be like nothing we have ever seen in American politics: A sort of high tech, media savvy propaganda machine aimed at "the masses" straight out of the Third Reich's play book. It will amaze even those of us that follow these sort of things and have watch the Democrats for decades, and it will have plenty of foreign money and influence, the major portion of which will not be from EU socialists.

It will be something to behold. The filibuster/Bolton business is just a minor flanking action - a distant rumbling of what is to come.

If they can crowd Hillie out it will be something like a Bayh/Richardson ticket. It will be a challenge to beat them. The GOP and the conservative movement needs to start responding to all of this nonsense NOW!

One gets the feeling that the left think that they did not start early enough and were not manipulative enough in the last election cycle. They now see that they have to deeply con the voters, not just intimidate them or lie in their faces at the last minute.

A few months ago we hear a notion of "new and revolutionary' uses of media to "reach the people" out of folks like Ickes and Soros. I imagine that this "One campaign" is the beginning of this. I expect media coordination the goes far beyond what we have seen so far.

Never underestimate these people, I say. They are immoral, not stupid, and they have a passionate zealotry.

They also know that their backs are against the wall, that this might be their last chance.

Another 8 years of a real GOP majority and all of the lies about why we "need" government will start to fall apart. There will be little to scare Americans with. Added to that, the structural changes that will destroy the liberal Establishment's power bases and the very real potential that illegal behavior in the Democrat Party will be discovered and prosecuted just gives them more urgency.

Solid gains in 06 on the Hill and a GOP presidential win that is ideological level with Bush could well mean as radical realignment of American politics as the New Deal once was, perhaps more radical as we are in a much more established position as a nation than we were in the 1930's. America could run so far ahead of the world that the lefts allure fades to even the dullest eye. The establishment left knows this all too well.

As I have said before: Remember, the Democrat Party survived being on the wrong side in the Civil War and yet came to dominate America for a half a century."

Never turn your back on them for a second.

This country will not be save until these people are exposed for what they are, their power structure destroyed and their access to government curtailed for good.

It will require a response to the coming onslaught that is a well coordinated and as deep pocketed as it is.

The GOP were up to last year, let us hope that they are not taken by surprise this time.

31 posted on 05/18/2005 7:58:53 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist

Bayh has won and still wins elections for two reasons: First name recognition and second that fact the the Republican Party has not put up a real good opponent to run against him in any election.

If he is ever forced to deal with his DC liberalism and back home conservatism hypocracy straight up he would get bounced harder then a Rawlings Basketball in a farmers driveway on a Saturday afternoon.


32 posted on 05/18/2005 8:13:36 AM PDT by boilerfan (Hoosier born and Boilermaker educated!)
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To: boilerfan
Well I hope so. I still think that the GOP has to push forward not just their vision for the future but start calling the Democrat party out for what they are: Totalitalian International Socialists.

They might try thowing a few in jail too.

They have to be unmasked in public and decried by the GOP leadership from the public square.

Yes, Bush is right to tackle real issues and make reaql proposals, but it is not enough.

their will be structural economic problems in the next 3 and a half years. Bush's sane, rational and relaistic approach to such matter assures this. The Left will capitalize on it.

The right must tackle tis notion of "equlity" with the notion of Liberty.

We must overturn the rhetoric of the 1960's: It must be a case of the values of Libery and Excellence overshadowing the culture of "Equality" and Mediocrity.

Sooner or later the truth behind the Democrats must be put on the table.

33 posted on 05/18/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: areafiftyone

Bayh's republican opponent in 88 was even more of a bore than Bayh. He has run ever since as a moderate to conservative.
The dems will never choose him as their nominee.
Not to speak ill of my fellow hoosiers but a lot of people voted for him because of his looks.


34 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:48 AM PDT by JRochelle
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