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Ala. honors Helen Keller, ignores leftist views
starnewsonline ^ | May 17, 2005 | starnewsonline

Posted on 05/17/2005 8:41:55 AM PDT by Dubya

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To: Monterrosa-24
Actually, I was born and raised in Alabama. I did not know this until I read this today. It was not taught to us in school. At least not when I went to grammar school back in the late 50s and early 60s, when teachers actually taught real stuff and not the liberalism of today.
21 posted on 05/17/2005 9:13:22 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Search and Destroy socialist democrats & their leaders Fat Ted, F'n Kerry & the Beast!)
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To: Borges

Well said.


22 posted on 05/17/2005 9:13:55 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

She was a Swedenborgian? Did not know that! I only know of that system because of its connection to William Blake.


23 posted on 05/17/2005 9:17:17 AM PDT by Borges
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To: KidGlock

I'm not sure I buy everything in this article. Socialism has always been very anti-Christian. And I have read Helen Keller's autobiography. I can certainly see her being taken in by the Left's supposed sympathy for the poor, but Hellen Keller was very much a Christian. For all I know, she may have held some un-Christian ideals, such as abortionism. But she was Christian.


24 posted on 05/17/2005 9:18:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Borges
She was a Swedenborgian? Did not know that!

Indeed she was. She even wrote a book about her conversion to Swedenborgianism called Light In My Darkness in 1960.

It was an updating/revision of her "Christian" Socialist/Social Gospel tract My Religion from 1927.

I only know of that system because of its connection to William Blake.

Interesting. I am also a big fan of Blake.

25 posted on 05/17/2005 9:21:47 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: dangus
But she was Christian.

Most people do not consider Swedenborgianism to be truly Christian.

26 posted on 05/17/2005 9:23:54 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Dubya
Yeah, Helen was quite the socialist. However, when we learned about her in school, it was more of a "triumph of the human will" lesson than a "even a blind and deaf woman knows socialism is peachy keen" lesson.

APf
27 posted on 05/17/2005 9:25:36 AM PDT by APFel (This space for sale or rent)
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To: dangus

There was a movement known as Christian Socialism in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th century. The Brook Farm experiment comes to mind though I'm not sure if it can be directly related to it. Francis Bellamy, the author of the Pledge of Allegiance, was a Christian Socialist. It's descendants can be seen in stuff like Liberation Theology.


28 posted on 05/17/2005 9:27:58 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Monterrosa-24
There is no slave without a king among his ancestors and there is no king without a slave among his ancestors."

some Greek philosopher said something about the same thing

29 posted on 05/17/2005 9:29:03 AM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: dangus

Come to think of it... I seem to remember she was, um, communitarian. It was a long time a go that I read it (7th grade).


30 posted on 05/17/2005 9:34:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Any other LIONS on FR?


31 posted on 05/17/2005 9:42:14 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: hoppity

I have all of the Helen Keller Joke Books

Volume I- Around the Block in 80 Days

Volume II- 3 Days in a Revolving Door

Volume III- A Long Walk on a Short Dock.


32 posted on 05/17/2005 9:53:40 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Dallas59

Well put, my friend.


33 posted on 05/17/2005 9:53:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: wideawake
Yet she threw her support behind Margaret Sanger, who believed that women like Helen keller should never have been born.

Helen Keller probably supported Sanger in the early days because at that time it was all about letting women take control of their reproduction and sexual safety through education and birth control. Women having power over their lives was a big no-no in those days, and Sanger first got into trouble with the law just for trying to teach poor women about veneral disease.

34 posted on 05/17/2005 9:54:03 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Sanger first got into trouble with the law just for trying to teach poor women about veneral disease

it's hard to take you seriously when you repeat Planned Parenthood propaganda.

Margaret Sanger was in the business of preventing and murdering children, especially the dark and disabled ones, from the get-go.

35 posted on 05/17/2005 9:58:39 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Sanger in the early days because at that time it was all about letting women take control of their reproduction and sexual safety through education and birth control.

It was all about eugenics in the early days. "More from the fit, fewer from the unfit" was the slogan on the front page of the "The Birth Control Review", the house organ of her American Birth Control League (ABCL).
36 posted on 05/17/2005 10:10:48 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: RetiredArmy

You're absolutely right. Born and raised here, am still here and the only thing that is ever taught about her is her courage to overcome her disabilities and to live as normal a life as possible.


37 posted on 05/17/2005 10:17:56 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: wideawake
it's hard to take you seriously when you repeat Planned Parenthood propaganda.

Facts are facts, even if Planned Parenthood happens to publish them too.

Margaret Sanger was in the business of preventing and murdering children, especially the dark and disabled ones, from the get-go.

Not from the get-go. She grew up in an environment where women had 11 children that the family couldn't easily support and often died from complications due to childbirth (I believe this was her mother's case). Her early work was all about how not to get pregnant and how to avoid venereal disease, empowering women to control their own health and family planning. Remember, she was a nurse in the poor sections of New York.

Of course she went way off the deep end once she started organizing, but back then a woman in control of her own body was a pretty radical idea. Like I said, her first arrest was just for telling women how to avoid VD -- that's the kind of environment she operated in. Do you have problems with nurses in poor neighborhoods trying to get the VD problem under control through education?

38 posted on 05/17/2005 10:18:47 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hoppity

Please let's not see anything like this posted here;

Q: What did Helen Keller do when she fell in the well?

A: She screamed her hands off.

Q: Why can't Helen Keller have any kids?

A; Because she's dead.


39 posted on 05/17/2005 10:24:41 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Pray for us all.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Facts are facts, even if Planned Parenthood happens to publish them too.

Facts are facts. And what you wrote is not fact.

back then a woman in control of her own body was a pretty radical idea

What a ridiculous and insulting statement, especially to people with large families.

My wife does not use birth control drugs or devices and she is very much in control of her own person.

As was my mother. As is my sister. As my daughter will be.

This notion that women were unable to control their own persons in the days when chastity was lauded and encouraged is preposterous.

Self-control, not drugs and devices, is real control.

Not everyone agrees with Sanger's agenda. And many people recognize this "control of your own body" rhetoric for what it is - meaningless buzzwords.

Sanger and Planned Parenthood have supported the evils of artificial birth control and abortion from the very beginning.

40 posted on 05/17/2005 10:26:53 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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