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To: LouAvul

IMO Fox is right.

http://www.urbancure.org/book/topic_uncle_sam.html

http://resources.christianity.com/ministries/lifetoday/main/speakerInfo.jhtml?sid=2915&JServSessionIdroot=cd3d92rde1


5 posted on 05/16/2005 6:41:39 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
You could just as easily put whites into his statement.

I felt that his comments were not only demeaning to blacks but Mexicans as well. It is time for Mexico to get a leader who takes care of his own instead of attaching his country like a parasite to the underbelly of this country.
12 posted on 05/16/2005 6:46:47 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
For years I have seen Mexicans work at backbreaking jobs in agriculture. They are highly represented in service jobs such as maids, cooks, busboys, and lawn care workers. If there is proof that black Americans are trying hard to get into these occupations, and can't because Mexicans are being hired instead, I want to see it.
14 posted on 05/16/2005 6:48:36 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Fox, may only be right in his own mind since he presumes that Mexicans are being offered the same pay as American workers, but since his presumption is wrong then any statement he makes is purely hypothetical, since Mexicans can and often do end up with more take home pay for the same job than Americans.

Illegal Mexican workers do not have to pay income taxes. They can be hired by employers for less money than American workers since the employers do not have to add on the extra taxes and insurance. As a result they can take home more pay than American workers.

Then to top it off, by living here illegally their social services are paid by the American worker who has been misplaced.

Take income taxes, and free social perks from the Mexican nationals and see how many US workers will fill these jobs compared to illegal Mexican worker, and notice I say illegal (meaning the underground economy), not meaning Mexican immigrants themselves who are paying taxes, as not to misrepresent the argument as Fox is doing.

American workers by they way represent a work force that works more hours than just about any country on the planet, as surveys have pointed out. Also Americans are generally working towards an education, from their early years thorough young adult hood, which is a labor intensive task while the same time the Mexican workers , what have they done in their youth and why when they reach young adulthood do they need to flee?

So I disagree with Fox on this one if we take away his wrong presumptions.


35 posted on 05/16/2005 7:13:40 PM PDT by seastay
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
IMO Fox is right.

Lookie what Fox said:

"There's no doubt that Mexican men and women--full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work--are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."
He said "...not even blacks..." as though blacks were somehow in a lower rank. His condescending and racist remark also insinuates that blacks are "lazy."

Fox is wrong in that, and in the fact that his remark attempts to justify illegal immigration from Mexico.

The real problem here isn't that anyone is lazy or that some jobs are undesirable, but that the wages for the jobs are too low. It is a fact that the jobs filled by illegals are often times below the minimum wage. Since they aren't citizens, there is no obligation to pay the minimum. It's an economic choice by the employer to have workers to exploit--i.e., Mexicans.

Abolish the minimum wage on these jobs, and you'd have plenty of teenagers and low-income persons willing to fill them.

39 posted on 05/16/2005 7:30:57 PM PDT by Gelato
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I should add to my comment that there are reports of some higher-paying jobs going to illegal aliens. This is NOT because these jobs are not wanted by Americans, but because the employer benefits from the illegal work.
43 posted on 05/16/2005 7:50:41 PM PDT by Gelato
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