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Case Similar to Terri Schiavo's Has Wife Deciding Her Husband's Fate Email this article
LifeNews ^ | 5/16/05 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 05/16/2005 6:39:12 AM PDT by Former Fetus

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To: biblewonk

That only means you've lost or joined ranks.


61 posted on 05/16/2005 8:22:22 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: newgeezer

The selfish man has a shallow soul; hardly worth the saving.


63 posted on 05/16/2005 8:27:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
You're [sic] reasoning is among the worst I've seen on FR.

Your assumptions are blind, your reasoning is fractured and, therefore, your conclusions are laughable.

But, by all means, don't let any of that stop you from handing down your righteous judgments.

64 posted on 05/16/2005 8:30:03 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Tarheel1
Gotta have at least a minimal amount of brain function.

You have no right to decide the value of anyone's life, or to play God.

The right to life is God-given and inalienable.

Quality of life: Another name for the slippery slope into barbarism.

65 posted on 05/16/2005 8:31:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Old Professer
The selfish man has a shallow soul; hardly worth the saving.

I can only guess you've jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Eschew obfuscation.

66 posted on 05/16/2005 8:32:35 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
"If someday my wife wants to end my life, I sure hope people let her do it."

As long as no criminal misdeed is involved, I wholly agree with you.

While I've no doubt a life hangs in the balance with this case, I've also no doubt these few cases are being used in an effort to further erode the institution of marriage.  Either these decisions will stay with the spouses, or they will be given over to the government.  Either marriage is between a man, woman, and God, or it is a government institution.  That various levels of government tax and license marriage, a religious institution, further erodes the institution.  That these cases are being used to force spouses to enter into written healthcare directives beyond their vows of marriage only strengthens my view that marriage is under attack.

I'm sorry to hear what this individual is faced with, but I've got to stand firm with the institution of marriage.

68 posted on 05/16/2005 8:35:20 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Tarheel1

Food and water are not 'life support', in the sense you are using it.


69 posted on 05/16/2005 8:38:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: heartwood

Read the article excerpted in post 10 - http://www.theempirejournal.com/514054_cognizant_jacksonville_ma.htm

More details.


70 posted on 05/16/2005 8:39:24 AM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: newgeezer

Do you have the "right" to committ suicide?


71 posted on 05/16/2005 8:40:15 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: backtothestreets

No one is trying to undermine marriage, or the spouse's rights.

The marriage relationship has limits. No spouse has the right to kill their partner, either actively or passively. Sheesh.

If someone is sick or incapacitated, their loved ones have a moral and legal responsibility to give them the care they need.


73 posted on 05/16/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Tarheel1
If someone has zero capacity for consciousness, zero chance of every waking up again, and can only be kept alive by tubes then that is life support.

Like all of those folks who HAVE awakened when the medical 'experts' gave them no chance of doing so?

I know God, and you ain't Him, dude.

By the way, Terri Schiavo was not as you described.

74 posted on 05/16/2005 8:45:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: EternalVigilance; backtothestreets

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If someone is sick or incapacitated, their loved ones have a moral and legal responsibility to give them the care they need."

INDEED!!!!
Talk about undermining marriage; here we actually have folks trying to turn it on it's head!


75 posted on 05/16/2005 8:47:57 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: Tarheel1
Of course if we hadn't been playing god with life support, this would not have been an issue. In the old days when someone was ready to go, they went. We can now keep bodies alive when the soul has long since departed. That ain't gods will either.

Feeding tubes have been around for about 200 years. It's not extraordinary means to give an incapacitated patient food and water that way.

At least it wasn't considered extraordinary until laws started getting passed saying that it is.

Even people on ventilators have gotten off of them at times.

76 posted on 05/16/2005 8:48:34 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Salvation

Absolutely agree with you both.

Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

And Daniel indicates that the spiritual realm has physical zones -

Daniel 10:13, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

Daniel 10:20-21, "Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Interestingly, we just finished a Sun night bible study on spiritual warfare, and during one of the earlier classes, our teacher related the following story, something like this - in the 30's, missionary work in some part of South America was frustratingly fruitless in the face of lots of voodoo practice, control by local shamans etc. Then suddenly there was this explosion of evangelism, and a number of years later one of the missionaries asked a converted shaman why the drastic turnaround, and the shaman said "Because all the demons went to Germany!"

Some people laughed, but the point was made, and I certainly believe it's a valid one. And I suspect the Church of Scientology based in Clearwater might have a little something to do with FL's problems.


77 posted on 05/16/2005 9:10:57 AM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
Do you have the "right" to committ suicide?

No.

Do we have a moral obligation to keep PVS patients' bodies alive?

78 posted on 05/16/2005 9:11:13 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: backtothestreets

Very good.


79 posted on 05/16/2005 9:12:24 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

What means are needed to keep them alive?


80 posted on 05/16/2005 9:16:45 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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