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View from the Left: Immigration Should be a Liberal Issue
Frontpagemagazine/RealClearPolitics.com ^ | 5-16-05 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/16/2005 5:47:01 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 05/16/2005 5:47:02 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Hillary sucks! She can march right off a pier.


2 posted on 05/16/2005 5:50:03 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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Hillary sucks! She can march right off a pier.

Long walk-short pier BUMP!

3 posted on 05/16/2005 5:52:47 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: SJackson
Hillary doesn't even believe in ID at the voting booth. We have a flow of Mexicans coming to NY. They work on our farms and then go back to Mexico WITH OUR MONEY. It's just another little base for her. Of course, she doesn't mention the NY companies now operating in Mexico.

I believe Bubba gave not only amnesty but made citizens of thousands in Florida...just before his election.

4 posted on 05/16/2005 5:55:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: SJackson

This article should be in breaking news, where more "conservatives" would see it. Ain't likely to show up where most will see it with the sentiment around here.


5 posted on 05/16/2005 5:55:53 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: SJackson
I agree the Democrats could recapture the blue-collar vote if they were really serious about illegal immigration. Right now though, in states like California they're afraid of offending Hispanics by taking a stand against illegal immigration. They'd lose votes so that's why they favor pro-illegal immigration measures like subsidized in-state tuition and drivers licenses for illegals. For the Democrats, Hispandering means a lot more for keeping power than helping blue collar Americans keep their jobs in the face of a massive flood of Third World cheap labor.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 05/16/2005 5:58:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sacajaweau

No offense, but if they are working, then they are going back to Mexico with THEIR money.

My issue with illegal immigration is the cost in terms of crime, healthcare, cultural warfare, vote fraud, etc. But the money they earn working is all theirs...


7 posted on 05/16/2005 5:59:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: SJackson
Although this article deserves a "barf" indicator for it's simplistic condemnation of Reagan, tax cuts for the wealthy and Dubya's guest worker program, there is some truth to what is written with respect to liberal confusion: "Liberals are so confused on this issue," says Vernon Briggs, a labor economist at Cornell University.

What confuses liberals is that they are so quick to race bait that they just assume anyone complaining about illegals MUST be a racist. This confusion is a product of the liberal's own making.

8 posted on 05/16/2005 5:59:48 AM PDT by rhombus
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Say what you want, illegal immigration is an issue that is driving many people through the F'ing roof. I am against Hillary as much as anyone, but this issue will kill the GOP if they think we are going to go along with some BS worker program that is really amnesty.

GWB has me so disgusted with his nonsense that this is not amensty. In all his talk about his program, I have not heard one bit about sending criminal aliens home, sending home these "willing workers" home if they don't register, and on and on.

Just as in 1965, this bill, if passed, will leave a huge stain on our country the likes of which we now cannot even imagine.


9 posted on 05/16/2005 6:03:14 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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she would fine employers who hire illegal aliens

Her and my liberal friend have the solutuion for illegal immigration, nail businesses.

And I told him, fine, beef up enforcement of the employment laws but also beef up border patrols, don't reimburse hopsitals for treating illegals, kick illegals out of schools and no drivers licences for illegals.

BUT NO all you gotta do is crack down on businesses. Look for this to be the leftist mantra.

10 posted on 05/16/2005 6:05:31 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Little Ray

Oh really?????? What about your money and your 50% partner, Uncle Sam???? These people do not pay FICA, do not pay Federal Income Taxes, etc etc. If these people could no longer be able to work for cash and be forced to endure that which everyone else does, they will be out of here so fast. They do not want to be legal. They want to work for cash to send home to "their country."


11 posted on 05/16/2005 6:06:31 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Little Ray
My issue with illegal immigration is the cost in terms of crime, healthcare, cultural warfare, vote fraud, etc. But the money they earn working is all theirs...

They are criminals. Under our system of law what a criminal makes plying his crime is not his, but is confiscatable by the state. It has always been this way, albeit nowadays it is being applied to actions that are not "crimes".

However, breaking and entering the US and violating its borders has always been and remains a malum in se offense.

12 posted on 05/16/2005 6:06:39 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Little Ray
The money I make is spent on my family in the US. It makes the economy grow. When they take THEIR money back to Mexico, they become just another trade deficient.

If you want to come here, please come and settle here...come in legally and WORK for and with your family and contribute to the American Melting Pot not the Mexican Poverty Pit.

13 posted on 05/16/2005 6:07:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: chris1

I agree with you. I am fed up with it also.


14 posted on 05/16/2005 6:12:36 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Little Ray

But if it is illegal for them to enter the country and work here, then the money they earn is the result of a crime.

Therefore, it would be logical for it to be forfeit to the government.

Since the illegal immigrants have probably already spent it, I suggest the businesses that hired them be fined an amount equal to the wages distributed.


15 posted on 05/16/2005 6:17:00 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Hillary will win on the immigration issue. She is being given a gift-wrapped issue that 90%+ of the American people support, and one that NO other major politician is willing to tackle.

It's almost as if the GOP wants her to win, they are setting her up so well. It's not as if she is a particularly skillful politician, she's just a dime-store panderer with heavy MSM support.


16 posted on 05/16/2005 6:32:33 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A government-funded artist is an incompetent whore)
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To: chris1

These people do pay FICA taxes but many file "exempt" and pay no income taxes. In addition, they flood hospitals with demands for free care, and have bankrupted many health care facilities.
Many Americans as well as illegals drive without insurance on stolen tags.


17 posted on 05/16/2005 6:38:08 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: chris1

Having said that, even illegals with personal and work virtues are a pain in the butt; don't forget, however, about those refugees from Bosnia that we still subsidize.


18 posted on 05/16/2005 6:42:16 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: SJackson

This article assumes (incorrectly) that so-called liberals actually care about the blue collar American worker.

What neoliberals (and neocons) really care about is expanding the number of people in this country dependent on the federal government.

And keeping the borders open helps to do that


19 posted on 05/16/2005 6:43:42 AM PDT by Irontank (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under)
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To: Sacajaweau

I have been around these people, they do not want to be legal and be registered and be required to pay taxes like everyone else. They want to work for cash and send it home.


20 posted on 05/16/2005 6:47:08 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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