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To: MsJefferson
I don't think Bush is a "loser," and it's ludicrous to say that he is -- but it's still a valid opinion --

I can't see how it's a "valid" opinion. It's ad-hominem that's all, not a valid conclusion based on fact. Bush won the election, gained seats in House and Senate and now makes the opposition look petty. He has achieved so much in 4 years that the "loser" label doesn't fit him at all. Now if you are one who'd say that all opinions are valid and equal no matter how factually accurate they are, then we're really not discussing Reid's comments.

As for "sedition," it's tough for me to balance national security with free speech. "Sedition" wasn't part of the Constitution, and was abused in its early forms -- requiring newspapers to conform to a standard that the courts would laugh at, today.

Well my comment was qualified by the word, "historically". We have no laws for sedition and we can't go arrest him. He survives in our tolerant Country. In Rome sedition was a death penalty crime. Reckless comments that incited riots leading to death would have been punished by death. The most obvious example would be Barabbas. (see Matthew 27)

would say that to prove sedition, you'd have to prove, first, that it was reckless disregard -- which is really hard to prove.

OTOH, this stupid person's reporting is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater, which we do have laws against.

That said, Newsweek should have known better than to sensationalize something like this. Their gatekeepers need to get some sense in their heads.

Not sure where that "sense" would come from, if not from God.
These people are hostile, God-hating, America demeaning leeches.
Where would you suggest they go to get some "sense"?

33 posted on 05/16/2005 7:59:13 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan

Opinions don't have to be VALID. That's why they're called OPINIONS. Saying that an "opinion is not a fact," is redundant and unnecessary. Sure, it's ad hominem -- and it's a LOGICAL fallacy. But it was a personal opinion.

I don't know much about Newsweek, so I cannot disagree with you -- I am hesitant to call anyone "America Hating," however, because that term is actually meaningless -- and is an opinion. If one were using that as fact, it's no less of an ad hominem than one calling someone else a "loser."

I, OF COURSE, don't think that it's very nice to call the president a loser -- and it can easily be proven that he's not -- but to act "offended," is simply a different form of political correctness.

And one would get their sense from their own reason, of course. It may or may not come from a non-denominational Creator -- that's up to you to decide.


35 posted on 05/16/2005 8:12:01 AM PDT by MsJefferson (Self-evident)
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